I am at 25mg tren EOD, 25mg Winny EOD. Sorry, what I meant when I said 25-50 was that I am at 25mg to get comfortable and move up to 50mg by week 2. I just didnt want the sides to come on so fast I had to drop it down, seems better to me to build up to it and then stay steady. This tren is the real deal though, even if its clear. Night sweats, increased aggression, lowered cardio, nice quick gains. its an italian brand