The Importance Of Steroids

[CO B-man]

Oh man, I wish I could delete the whole thread. With all the "ownage" bullshit going back and forth I'll bet 100 people clicked off the thread because it essentially became a bickering between two people and no one gives a fuck one way or the other. That's a shame, but it happens.

A LOT of people care but I DO apologize for your thread getting hijacked. You did not deserve that. It all goes back to me minding my own business talking about prison food and AR getting bent out of shape with me on it

 

[CO B-man]

Yeah. You "proved" I was a fraud because you got rebutted in every half-truth you told. I love how you know how it is in prison, though you've never been there, and then you attack me for being there.

Do you know why everyone knows I was in? Because when I was busted I contacted every source I ever dealt with and told them to not respond to e-mails from me, or contact me or respond to me any more because I was busted and it could be a trap (I was caught buying E from a Steroid Source).

You don't know shit about shit, and you never will. As for your COTB membership, remember, I (at first) was the one who said when the idea of banning your ass came up that you should be allowed to stay. That's a fact, and a conversation I had just yesterday. Why? Because you're unimportant, and you represent the old empire here, which is just being phased out...unfortunately, most of you guys will likely choose to attack me, or the site while it happens. It's ok....we figured it would happen...

Oh wait...you're so in the know I bet you knew that already.

Remember...after you played with me on the NRU all stars, I went to NZ and played in the first division. That's the difference between us...always was, always will be.

LOL You make NO sense whatsoever and it was NOT you it was LESTAT that kept me from bannage. I do remeber that it was YOU that lied to BRR saying I posted something about EF on another site putting down EF which I KNOW was unture and challenged anyone to post it up and prove it to no avail. And AR the only one you are fooling in here with your words is yourself! The lies are pathetically obvious

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Sorry Nelson. I was in prison (and a cook at that!), and just got annoyed when someone who has never done time tells people how it is there..

 

[GeneticMutation]

I'm not a vocal man by any means on boards - I perfer to read more than anything.

But I'll say this: on all the boards I read regularly where Roberts is a factor, I am consistently disgusted by his unprofessional behaviour and constant self-promotion of his products.

Now, I sympathize with the need to promote one's self and his products - that is business after all; however, I often feel that Roberts gives himself a little bit too much credit at times. I won't dispute the fact that he is knowledgeable on many aspects of steroid use, but insofar as to be an expert on the subject? I am not so unpurturbed of that. I'm not certain where his reputation as a "guru" comes from, though the popular consensus I have ascertained is that he is a self-styled one. In my opinion it takes more than one e-book that is basically a conglomeration of reiterated information stated by a myriad others in the past, in order to be considered a certifiable expert in a field.

Simply taking practical data posted all over the internet and data already provided by the greats like Duchaine, does not make one a certified expert. Beyond steroids purports to educate us on hormones never discussed about ever - including human growth hormone (HGH), Insulin-like Growth Factor 1 (IGF-1), Humulin-R Insulin among others. Since when did the above items ever posess a veritable lack of documentation and anecdotal evidence? Granted the other things discussed in his book like MGF are fairly new to the bodybuilding table, very little information is said in the 300 pages that hasn't really been declared previously.

Having an e-book of information previously said doesn't give much credence as to the fact Roberts is a "guru" or "expert". In actuality it can be likened to plagiarism.

In order for work to be considered one's own, one has to expand on ideas already formed and present insightful and ratiocinative theories on how to go beyond what is already known. In my opinion, Beyond Steroids doesn't achieve that and in essence fails to even approach that frontier. And being Robert's only published (I use that term loosely) source of his work (again, I use this term loosely) reveals how ignoble of a "guru" he truly is.

CO-B man, kudos for being one to say what is on the mind of myself and many others.

Roberts, I have nothing more to say about you. In my opinion, your just some kid that found a hobby in jail and decided to make a profit off of it.

Resorting to veiled threats of banning and using your "superior" influence on the boards is just a low blow that cries desperation. The boards were made for a free-flow of infromation and provocative thought. Stifling others when they disagree with you is a tyrannical form of resistance.

And if you truly and sincerely consider yourself a respectible, credible, mature and professional expert in the field of Anabolic Steroids you would not have the need to argue excessively and defend yourself against CO-B man or the multitudinous other detractors of yours out there.

You would let your actions and your work speak for yourself. Perhaps, however, in your case, your actions alone aren't enough to save you from the menacing abyss that threatens to engulf you.

 

[MichaelScott]

im pissed i read this entire thread and AR hasn't said one fucking thing worth a shit imo

 

[CO B-man]

I'm not a vocal man by any means on boards - I perfer to read more than anything.

But I'll say this: on all the boards I read regularly where Roberts is a factor, I am consistently disgusted by his unprofessional behaviour and constant self-promotion of his products.

Now, I sympathize with the need to promote one's self and his products - that is business after all; however, I often feel that Roberts gives himself a little bit too much credit at times. I won't dispute the fact that he is knowledgeable on many aspects of steroid use, but insofar as to be an expert on the subject? I am not so unpurturbed of that. I'm not certain where his reputation as a "guru" comes from, though the popular consensus I have ascertained is that he is a self-styled one. In my opinion it takes more than one e-book that is basically a conglomeration of reiterated information stated by a myriad others in the past, in order to be considered a certifiable expert in a field.

Simply taking practical data posted all over the internet and data already provided by the greats like Duchaine, does not make one a certified expert. Beyond steroids purports to educate us on hormones never discussed about ever - including human growth hormone (HGH), Insulin-like Growth Factor 1 (IGF-1), Humulin-R Insulin among others. Since when did the above items ever posess a veritable lack of documentation and anecdotal evidence? Granted the other things discussed in his book like MGF are fairly new to the bodybuilding table, very little information is said in the 300 pages that hasn't really been declared previously.

Having an e-book of information previously said doesn't give much credence as to the fact Roberts is a "guru" or "expert". In actuality it can be likened to plagiarism.

In order for work to be considered one's own, one has to expand on ideas already formed and present insightful and ratiocinative theories on how to go beyond what is already known. In my opinion, Beyond Steroids doesn't achieve that and in essence fails to even approach that frontier. And being Robert's only published (I use that term loosely) source of his work (again, I use this term loosely) reveals how ignoble of a "guru" he truly is.

CO-B man, kudos for being one to say what is on the mind of myself and many others.

Roberts, I have nothing more to say about you. In my opinion, your just some kid that found a hobby in jail and decided to make a profit off of it.

Resorting to veiled threats of banning and using your "superior" influence on the boards is just a low blow that cries desperation. The boards were made for a free-flow of infromation and provocative thought. Stifling others when they disagree with you is a tyrannical form of resistance.

And if you truly and sincerely consider yourself a respectible, credible, mature and professional expert in the field of Anabolic Steroids you would not have the need to argue excessively and defend yourself against CO-B man or the multitudinous other detractors of yours out there.

You would let your actions and your work speak for yourself. Perhaps, however, in your case, your actions alone aren't enough to save you from the menacing abyss that threatens to engulf you.

With that you should take a bow you are getting a standing alvation from! and I am outta here for now because I cant top this!

 

[solidspine]

In the borrowed words of a friend:

I never lent any credence to anything he said more than I would any other person's writing off the street. I never understood why he was given so much latitude in the first place. He's not a scientist. He is not published in the academic community. He has no research facilities nor has he been awarded any grant towards research by any reputable institution that I'm aware of. So then, I ask, where is this information truly coming from?

I'm not saying a person requires everything listed above to deserve credit for hard work but if you don't have the credentials to back your writing, than at least show enough professionalism to be taken seriously. When I read these little he-said, she-said pissing matches, it just serves to bring down any credibility that a person has built over time. It's sad really. Now you're combining a lack of credentials with a lack of professionalism. Add once again the fact that we are dealing with what can potentially be very dangerous chemicals and practices and you know what do you have? You have an imminent disaster just waiting to happen. And who foots the bill? You do.

So given the lack of academic credentials combined with the apparent lack of any type of professionalism, a person should be very guarded about how much weight one puts on anything an individual or institution has written and sold. It's a "buyer-beware" scenario at best and a complete scam at worst. Be careful. You can find most of the answers to your questions for free at any public or campus library. It’s a completely unnecessary risk to spend money on OPINIONS of extremely questionably origin.

It’s likely you’ll just feel the momentary sting of getting ripped off but dollars can be replaced. Your health cannot be replaced. If you ARE going to place your health in someone else’s hands, just make certain you know exactly whose hands you are placing your health in.

 

[Phaded]

I'm not a vocal man by any means on boards - I perfer to read more than anything.

But I'll say this: on all the boards I read regularly where Roberts is a factor, I am consistently disgusted by his unprofessional behaviour and constant self-promotion of his products.

Now, I sympathize with the need to promote one's self and his products - that is business after all; however, I often feel that Roberts gives himself a little bit too much credit at times. I won't dispute the fact that he is knowledgeable on many aspects of steroid use, but insofar as to be an expert on the subject? I am not so unpurturbed of that. I'm not certain where his reputation as a "guru" comes from, though the popular consensus I have ascertained is that he is a self-styled one. In my opinion it takes more than one e-book that is basically a conglomeration of reiterated information stated by a myriad others in the past, in order to be considered a certifiable expert in a field.

Simply taking practical data posted all over the internet and data already provided by the greats like Duchaine, does not make one a certified expert. Beyond steroids purports to educate us on hormones never discussed about ever - including human growth hormone (HGH), Insulin-like Growth Factor 1 (IGF-1), Humulin-R Insulin among others. Since when did the above items ever posess a veritable lack of documentation and anecdotal evidence? Granted the other things discussed in his book like MGF are fairly new to the bodybuilding table, very little information is said in the 300 pages that hasn't really been declared previously.

Having an e-book of information previously said doesn't give much credence as to the fact Roberts is a "guru" or "expert". In actuality it can be likened to plagiarism.

In order for work to be considered one's own, one has to expand on ideas already formed and present insightful and ratiocinative theories on how to go beyond what is already known. In my opinion, Beyond Steroids doesn't achieve that and in essence fails to even approach that frontier. And being Robert's only published (I use that term loosely) source of his work (again, I use this term loosely) reveals how ignoble of a "guru" he truly is.

CO-B man, kudos for being one to say what is on the mind of myself and many others.

Roberts, I have nothing more to say about you. In my opinion, your just some kid that found a hobby in jail and decided to make a profit off of it.

Resorting to veiled threats of banning and using your "superior" influence on the boards is just a low blow that cries desperation. The boards were made for a free-flow of infromation and provocative thought. Stifling others when they disagree with you is a tyrannical form of resistance.

And if you truly and sincerely consider yourself a respectible, credible, mature and professional expert in the field of Anabolic Steroids you would not have the need to argue excessively and defend yourself against CO-B man or the multitudinous other detractors of yours out there.

You would let your actions and your work speak for yourself. Perhaps, however, in your case, your actions alone aren't enough to save you from the menacing abyss that threatens to engulf you.

GENETIC MUTATION OWNS! FATALITY

 

[solidspine]

Anthony Roberts


Where did you go to prison? How old were you? What were the charges?

 

[solidspine]

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