Lots of people seem to forget the basic for the body when it comes to getting big or leaning down. Bulking up hit the creatine. Leaning down reduce your intake change your diet. its simple. All the new stuff on the market makes no sense if you dont undersand how your own body work.
I used creatine for years, then one day, one of my boys in the gym give me a can of super pump. He said he dint like it. tasted like shit when it first came out but stock wit it. I had belly from the corner to the end of the block and was farting all over the place, my kids couldn't stand me. lol. Every supp that comes out aint for everyone. its dat simple