The best way to kickstart your HTPA

[Nelson Montana]

I think you want to hear what you want to hear and you're going to do what you want to do.

Refusal to see the reality of the situation is what got you in this situation in the first place.

HCG, UNLEASHED, POST CYCLE, Alpha Sustain and arimidex. That's your answer. Give it 3 months. Fuck all that other shit.

If that doesn't work, you're on HRT for life bro. Deal with it. And don't experiment and expect a good outcome.

 

[HugeMenges]

Oddly enough, the literature I have that came with my pharm grade Proviron stipulates that it can be used for testicular atrophy (75mgs ED divided into 3 doses for 3 months!!!) which I find odd because Proviron is still an exogenous hormone and as well all know, exogenous hormones will shut you down and when you are shut down, your boys shrink. Have you tried Alpha Sustain? I am not in your position so our situations are not the same but for me, especially when on cycle and the sex drive is starting to go down or at the end of a cycle when the hormones are all out of wack, it really does help. I know a few other guys on the board have tried it and it's helped. After a 12 weeks cycle I did last year (which I will never do again) even after PCT I didn't feel quite right. Then I found out about Sustain and in no time I had the desire to have sex again and after a short while my testes had grown as well.
Anyway, that's something you might want to look into.

Im down to try Sustain. But I dont want a temporary fix. Most things i have taken, make me feel great when I am on it, but as soon as I stop taking them, so do the effects.

 

[cuts82]

Bro runnin another cycle before you do this recovery pct is just stupid, all doin another cycle is gonna do is shut you down harder!
I say go to the doctoer talk and suggest hrt, you will feel amazing

 

[HugeMenges]

can someone reccomend a endo in SoCal? Someone who can help me with this before I end up on HRT? Someone with some real knowledge?

 

[Big_Joe]

I was doing this while eating a diet of zero carbs and zero fat for 6 months. Or as close to zero as possible. They cycle was jsut the icing on the cake. I was pretty much anorexic. Ate only about 1500 calories a day, and worked out 2-3 hours a day every day. That will fuk you up. No cheat days and not even a single cheat meal. I think the fact of the low fat and carbs fuked me up as much if not more then the juice. But the juice was the straw that broke the camels back.

Basically I would eat 300-400 grams of protien, with nothing else. Whatever fat or carbs was unavoidable. I would estimate less then 15 grams of fat a day, and less than 50 grams of carbs a day.

I don't think your problem is from low test. I suspect your diet caused a problem with your nervious system. Zero fat diets have been shown to cause mental retardation in children ( Don't fly off the handle I'm NOT saying you are retarded. ). Fat is esential for nervious sytem growth. This would support both the diagnosis of the doctors and how you feel. In other words the problem is not with your hormones but with your nerves. So the question is what to do about it.

I think you should have a diet with good fats, Cold water fish, Flax seed oils ( Things high in omega 3 and 6 fatty acids) and some MCT oil for energy and get enough calories to support changing your body. Then start on a workout program of lifting heavy. Basicly work out like a power lifter. Heavy weights and lots of rest for recovery. Do this for three months and see how you feel. Three months should be enough to see if there is a change ( nerves grow or change very slowly ). If you see any improvement ( even if it's small ) then continue the program for another three to six months. Really put your heart and soul into lifting. It's the will power flowing down your nerves that changes them. Forge your body in the fire of your will!

Don't fuk yourself up with another cycle. We don't want to create another problem while trying to fix this one. So be a power lifter for a year. I am willing to bet that you feel great after six months of doing this. By the end of the year you might be ready for a cycle. But then your goals and abilities will have changed.

It's a normal human problem to say I did X now I have a problem so X must have done it to me. But this isn't always the case. Lyle Alzado didn't get brain cancer from doing steroids but he thought he did because what else could it be? Well it could be cosmic rays ( I'm not kidding). So don't make the mistake of thinking that because you did steroids that has caused your problem. It's much more likely that it was your diet.

 

[abomb555]

I think you want to hear what you want to hear and you're going to do what you want to do.

Refusal to see the reality of the situation is what got you in this situation in the first place.

HCG, UNLEASHED, POST CYCLE, Alpha Sustain and arimidex. That's your answer. Give it 3 months. Fuck all that other shit.

If that doesn't work, you're on HRT for life bro. Deal with it. And don't experiment and expect a good outcome.

what he said!

 

[abomb555]

Bro runnin another cycle before you do this recovery pct is just stupid, all doin another cycle is gonna do is shut you down harder!
I say go to the doctoer talk and suggest hrt, you will feel amazing

and what he said!!

 

[abomb555]

can someone reccomend a endo in SoCal? Someone who can help me with this before I end up on HRT? Someone with some real knowledge?

honestly bro??? why the on earth did you start this thread if you only want to hear what you want! diet, exercise, sleep, nutrition, suplementation, hormone therapy, and there experience and RESEARCH of ALL these thing's are what 90% of the bro's on this fourm LIVE for and STUDY on a DAILY basis so your starting to come off a wee bit insulting, some people (i.e.nelson montana) have decades of research and experience under there belts so to imply they have no real knowledge is a little pretentious on your part......im sorry if you just wanted a bunch of bros to just tell you to jump back on cycle but simply put WE ALL KNOW with real KNOWLEDGE that this is simply UNWISE! but enough from me i guess go see a doctor.....and while your there ask him what HE thinks about starting another cycle KICKSTARTING one's HTPA

 

[REFORMATA]

I think I agree with Big Joe. And Nelson. Do both, dont touch any hormones. Not right now. Learn about how to eat properly. Food, sleep, and the gym are your answers. AND in that specific order!

 

[SpyWizard]

yea, hrt may be the coarse... but with your levels coming in at the normal acceptable range no doc will put you one it.. They like to keep practicing medicine..

What would it cost you for a weak cycle??

Buy the alpha sustain.. if it doesn't work you can always go the route you think you should go, but the fact remains that if it didn't work, there would be so many guys screaming that it sucked no one could shut them up about it..