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Test Is OVERRATED!
- Thread starter Nelson Montana
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Nelson, where do you come up with this shit ???? No disrespect man but,
I mean every HRT Doctor in the country uses Test and Test only for the most part. Plus some HGH for there patients.
It is the foundation of steroids. Can you show some studies or clinical trials that support your statements?
I agree there are other AAS that do a better job of building strength, or mass or cutting. But test is far from overrated. Does your HRT Dr. prescribe Primo and Winnie? Didn't think so.
I mean every HRT Doctor in the country uses Test and Test only for the most part. Plus some HGH for there patients.
It is the foundation of steroids. Can you show some studies or clinical trials that support your statements?
I agree there are other AAS that do a better job of building strength, or mass or cutting. But test is far from overrated. Does your HRT Dr. prescribe Primo and Winnie? Didn't think so.
halfcenturian said:
You're missing the point. And you're confusing one thing with another. HRT is serving a medical purpose which is completely seperate from cycling.
funkyfresh
New member
Great thread
I have to agree with Nelson's logic somewhat. I'd much rather gain 10lbs of quality muscle mass on a primo cycle, than gain 20lbs on a high dose test...half of which I'll lose in water weight..etc.
7-10lbs doesn't sound a lot and probably isn't seen as a great achievement to some guys, but if you add that up over 3 or 4 years
I think overall, you would probably gain more size using test than any other AAS (diet permitting) for several reasons. But yes, I think it is probably overrated for this reason. Because weight and size doesn't reflect quality.
Personally, I'd rather add quality muscle weight more gradually using very modest cycles (to help with the recovery, strength and an increased protein synthesis) than f*ck around with tons of different drugs and chemicals and try to add as much all out weight and mass as possible.
It then become a dangerous game where people think "wow, I gained 15lbs on this cycle, I'll up the dosage next time or try a more powerful drug and I should be able to gain 20lbs more on the next one". So they become more and more reliant on the AAS than their actual training and diet structure. I think a lot of people forget that Bodybuilding is something which takes time, dedication and hard work. Everyone wants to wake up looking like so and so straight away and lose patience.
Pretty much every steroid will increase protein synthesis and nitrogen retention, increase recovery, endurance...etc. to different degrees, so what more do you want? The training and diet will take care of the rest.
I've seen pictures of guys who have done some pretty heavy and complex cycles and in a lot of cases the gains really don't reflect or justify the quantities and the drugs they use (IMHO).
It's sad that this has become the current trend of Bodybuilding. It's become a complete joke IMO.
No disrespect to the current champs, but today, Bodybuilders are rewarded by how much muscle mass they can pack rather than the shape and completeness of the physique.
Compare someone like Jay Cutler to Shawn Ray. Or Markus Ruhl to Franco Columbu for example. Complete contrasts. So I think the current format of Bodybuilding is largely responsible for this mentality.
I've often wondered why people are so obsessed with using high doses of test or crazy amounts of any steroid for that matter.
Back on topic (sorry )
I think it's probably wise to include some low maintainance dose of test as base of an AAS cycle, but I don't understand why guys say you should never use anything under 500mg EW of Test or you should run at least 1g? Especially when stacking it with something like Primo or Var.
Higher doses = high risk of side effects = high risk of health problems
I think running a low dose test for maintainance is a good idea. But I don't think you need to use stupid doses if you stack it with something to compliment it.
For example:
Test increases SHBG
Test decreases collegen synthesis
Primo decreases SHBG
Primo increase collegen synthesis
I have to agree with Nelson's logic somewhat. I'd much rather gain 10lbs of quality muscle mass on a primo cycle, than gain 20lbs on a high dose test...half of which I'll lose in water weight..etc.
7-10lbs doesn't sound a lot and probably isn't seen as a great achievement to some guys, but if you add that up over 3 or 4 years
I think overall, you would probably gain more size using test than any other AAS (diet permitting) for several reasons. But yes, I think it is probably overrated for this reason. Because weight and size doesn't reflect quality.
Personally, I'd rather add quality muscle weight more gradually using very modest cycles (to help with the recovery, strength and an increased protein synthesis) than f*ck around with tons of different drugs and chemicals and try to add as much all out weight and mass as possible.
It then become a dangerous game where people think "wow, I gained 15lbs on this cycle, I'll up the dosage next time or try a more powerful drug and I should be able to gain 20lbs more on the next one". So they become more and more reliant on the AAS than their actual training and diet structure. I think a lot of people forget that Bodybuilding is something which takes time, dedication and hard work. Everyone wants to wake up looking like so and so straight away and lose patience.
Pretty much every steroid will increase protein synthesis and nitrogen retention, increase recovery, endurance...etc. to different degrees, so what more do you want? The training and diet will take care of the rest.
I've seen pictures of guys who have done some pretty heavy and complex cycles and in a lot of cases the gains really don't reflect or justify the quantities and the drugs they use (IMHO).
It's sad that this has become the current trend of Bodybuilding. It's become a complete joke IMO.
No disrespect to the current champs, but today, Bodybuilders are rewarded by how much muscle mass they can pack rather than the shape and completeness of the physique.
Compare someone like Jay Cutler to Shawn Ray. Or Markus Ruhl to Franco Columbu for example. Complete contrasts. So I think the current format of Bodybuilding is largely responsible for this mentality.
I've often wondered why people are so obsessed with using high doses of test or crazy amounts of any steroid for that matter.
Back on topic (sorry
) I think it's probably wise to include some low maintainance dose of test as base of an AAS cycle, but I don't understand why guys say you should never use anything under 500mg EW of Test or you should run at least 1g? Especially when stacking it with something like Primo or Var.
Higher doses = high risk of side effects = high risk of health problems
I think running a low dose test for maintainance is a good idea. But I don't think you need to use stupid doses if you stack it with something to compliment it.
For example:
Test increases SHBG
Test decreases collegen synthesis
Primo decreases SHBG
Primo increase collegen synthesis
daveyboy2345
New member
i think test @ 200-500mgs week and EQ @ 400-800mgs week is about all most recreational users should use. Orals at 15-40 mgs for a few weeks here and there as needed. imho.
great thread, been here for over 2 years and still pick up great things,
~Alc
~Alc
DJ_UFO
Banned
halfcenturian said:
Hey buddy HRT is not a bodybuilding treatment. Nelson is talking about the use of test for bodybuilding purposes wich requires massive over doses compared to a medical dose.
This is a great thread. Nelson's conclusions and facts are based on old school handling of drugs that was way better and safer than today.
There was a poll the other day here asking for "abs" or "big dude" of course the majority chose big dude. Most of the guys don't care today about their health and/or naked look. As long as they look like gorillas bloated like balloons and be the "bad ass" of the party, they are happy. They don't even want to impress a pretty lady anymore. Guys today prefer to impress other guys by being "yoked" and "pumped up". If you put them naked, they look nasty. Nobody cares these days of being intoxicated inside with drugs.
What's the problem with cholesterol levels? I have lipitor.
What's the problem with erectile dysfinction? I have viagra.
What's the problem with loss of libido? I have proviron.
That's how everybody thinks today. Fixing instead of preventing. And those are not even permanent fixes.
Old school bodybuilders took care of their health AND look. There is no doubt those were the golden years.
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Tatyana
Elite Mentor
funkyfresh said:
I have heard a few guys admit to this. But VERY few.
What I find frightening is that there are people out there, women included, who are taking AAS without even knowing some of the basics.
They have heard of steroids, know they 'get you lean and build muscle' and start a cycle without proper preparation or knowledge.
I also have concerns for men in their twenties that really don't come off a cycle.
This is a great thread, I have learned more about AAS in this one than any other yet that I have encountered.
