Test/Deca Cycle not working??!?

[anmolgoel]

Hi,

I am on my 2nd cycle right now of Test E (500mg) /Deca (225mg) since 5-6 weeks, and I havent seen much gains in size. Just a little increase in muscularity and thats it. Weight doesn't seem to be upping.

Last time I just ran Test E, and I bloated like hell as well as gained muscle, but this time there aint even any signs of bloat; though I know things are always slow after the first cycle but this is too less than expected.

I referred to an article about it here: timinvermont . com/fitness/test1.htm

It suggests using a little clomid during the cycle as well (as low as 50mg EOD) so as to minimize testicular shrinkage. Could this be a reason for the halted growth in any way? I'm sort of clueless on this.

Ancillaries I'm using are: Finasteride - 1mg ED, proviron - 25 mg ED (prevents testicular pain which I had earlier while on gear), and clomid 50 mg EOD

I'm taking good care of diet and workouts and its a little disappointing getting no results after doing all the hard work and research.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks!

 

[TheSVPdeal]

Stats?

 

[stevesmi]

dunno who told you to run clomid during cycle to prevent nut shrinkage but i hope it wasn't anyone on here (doubt it was)


you are supposed to take hcgenerate and/or hcg during cycle to prevent shrinkage. are you eating enough carbs? are you seeing an increase in appetite? if the answer is no and no then you won't get the benefits from deca which is a carb dependant AAS. this is why you shouldn't be overweight when running deca if cutting is your goal.

if you think your gear is fake then go run a blood test

 

[Cali72]

Why r u running proscar/propecia with deca? Big no no!

 

[stevesmi]

sounds to me after reading that article you got wamboozled by someone who is just plain wrong and ignorant.

"Proper testosterone usage can yield amazing results. In a 3 month period, a first time steroid user can expect to gain 30-50 pounds" BULLSHIT, unless you are severely below your genetic potential this is complete bullshit. and I mean you are 6 feet tall and 130 pounds and never worked out in your life.

he also claims that roid rage is a complete myth. ummmm.. no its not. I am a level headed guy and i have had fits of rage on test/dbol. although as i gained experience i now am very calm on any AAS, even tren.

then he says we are supposed to taper down, does he realize that esters have half lives, and those half lives mean that you get 50% less in your body.. so in other words AAS taper down on their own without you manually tapering them down. and until its out of your system you will not recover on your own

then he says test E hits your system in 10 days. not sure what he means here. any AAS will hit your system within hours, he might mean peak levels? if he does he is wrong again cause E peaks weeks into it. not after 10 days. i think he is confusing half life with kick in.

then he suggets running finasteride during cycle to prevent enlarged prostate. complete horshit if you ask me.

then he suggests using clomid to prevent testicular shutdown.. has this guy ever heard of hcg or hcgenerate?

then he says " Personally, my cholesterol level went up from 170 to 200 when on a cycle. I did not stop eating junk food. In fact, I ate a lot more junk food." wtf? more junk food is his advice?

his PCT is more fina, adex, and 100mg of clomid a day. talk about a dick killer. and he claims that you won't lose any muscle after test, and will keep up to 30 pounds.. which means that if you weigh 200 pounds after a few cycles you will be 320 of muscle i suppose.

and on another article he says you should eat a lot of fried food and atleast 30% of your diet should be fats. would love to see a picture of this moron.

I would not take advice from this guy at all. his article is a good laugh, nothing more

 

[C0LUMB0]

Why r u running proscar/propecia with deca? Big no no!

^^^^^^^this is true .!

clomid during cycle to prevent testicular shrinkage ...fuck NO !
hcg will help here.

what does you pct look like ?

you need to eat more to grow and you definitely need to do more research bro.

 

[RADAR]

WOW! I've heard it all now!

 

[stevesmi]

i will add another thing that article said.. it said to run clomid and adex together during cycle at pretty strong doses. the problem with this is your estrogen levels are gonna get obliterated. you need estrogen to grow muscle. to put it in simple english, anti-estrogens are estrogen blockers.. by not allowing estrogen you are actually shitting on your ability to gain. AI's are used by breast cancer survivors to prevent estrogen from forming, its a pretty miserable thing to go through, just any breast cancer survivors who get put on AI's for 5 years striaght.

the funniest thing about that article is the author said people can expect 10-15 pounds of water weight even with 2 AI's going at strong dosages. how is that even possible? does the author not understand water weight comes from increased estrogen? very amauterish article if he does not understand that.

your solution is flushing all your AI's down the toilet. and picking up a bottle of forma instead from mr supps. it will block just enough estrogen, but also not obliterate it where you won't gain. and you can run it during and post cycle. this is actually a great thread for guys who insist on running clomid like it is halloween candy. and i bet many will still read this and continue doing it anyway cause that is what 'their friend' said to do or what some buffoon on bb.com said to do.

 

[rich_89]

People are just so uneducated. If you don't understand something, come here and ask first, before you inject everything but the kitchen sink into your arse. It's ridiculous.

 

[jballz]

Steve, you mentioned deca is carb dependent. Does that mean it would be a bad idea to run deca with test as a cutter on a CKD diet being that you carb up on weekends. Or should one save the deca for a bulker. Thanks bro.