Test/dbol bulking cycle

[LostCauze]

Hey guys,
Planning to start my bulking cycle hear in January and wanted to get some opinions.
I was originally planning to do an elaborate eq/test/win cycle but I've decided to stray from that and stick with the basics for a while. No need to jump into something crazy quite yet IMO

I'm looking for opinions on taking 500mg/ week for 10 weeks vs 350mg/ week for 14 weeks. If everything else is the same (diet, training, etc)

I know a lot of people swear by 500mg a week for 1st cycle but I feel that maybe that is just excessive.

Looking for people with any experience running lower dosed longer cycles and the results. Vs higher dosed shorter cycles.

I don't care just how much I put on during cycle and pct, I care about how much I'll still have when I start my next cycle.

I've spent the last year off of gear took some time to figure out exactly what my body responds to best via training and macros (diet) and I have it nailed after a lot of trial and error. So diet and training will be on point.

This will be my 3rd cycle (1st was test dbol second was test dbol and a lil deca to see how I respond to the drug)

Thanks in advance!

25yo
183lbs 8-9% bf
7 years training
2 previous cycles

 

[buddhabuilder]

Alot can be said for keeping dosages as low as possible in early cycles, or anytime for that matter. Not over loading your receptors and having the ability to increase dosages in the future just two of them. I think the answer will be impacted by the dosages and lengths of time your first cycles were, and what results you got and kept.

 

[Essie]

Well if you search my posts ... I always advise guys to stick to no more than 350mg and if you look at my recent threads you'll see that I don't even run high dosages myself. Yes, if you run more, you gain more and faster, but you also run a much higher risk of experiencing higher negative sides. If you want to avoid the negative sides at higer dosages, then you have to UNDOUBTEDLY run ather componds like your Aromasin or Adex or Prami or Caber etc ... Which also hkes the price of your cycle.

 

[Essie]

Oh yeah, to answer your question ... 350mg x 14wks is what I would do. Going higher than 350 and entering the 500+ mg per wk range is fine ... If you are experienced, but NOT for a first cycle. Please supply the complete lay-out of your cycle ... Dosages and weeks and remember, EQ needs to be run around 16wks for best results.

 

[LostCauze]

Oh yeah, to answer your question ... 350mg x 14wks is what I would do. Going higher than 350 and entering the 500+ mg per wk range is fine ... If you are experienced, but NOT for a first cycle. Please supply the complete lay-out of your cycle ... Dosages and weeks and remember, EQ needs to be run around 16wks for best results.

I'm no longer running the eq cycle. Im going to stick with just test/dbol so it's looking like
Test e 350mg week 14 weeks
Dbol 40mg week 4 weeks
Pct nolva 40/40/20/20

On hand caber, arimidex, letro, (only side I ever get is gyno and I've been able to greatly reduce this with forma stanzol) so I'll only use a real ai if need be

Just wanted to see what people think about the gains using 350mg week vs 500mg week. Both cycles are 5000mg total, the only diff is length and dosage.
I've seen a lot of debate and I don't plan on running high dose cycles until absolutely necessary

 

[warrior08]

gonna need a stronger pct then that! look around the site and u will see some good pct posted.

 

[LostCauze]

gonna need a stronger pct then that! look around the site and u will see some good pct posted.

Sorry forgot To add the clomid and made an error with the dosage of novla

Pct is
Novla 40/40/40/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50

Will also be adding hcg every 4 weeks during cycle (one blast) then once at end of cycle (bigger blast) it helped me recover fast with my last cycle

 

[RickRock13]

350mg for 14 weeks would be a great cycle, with low sides.

However, the Nolva and Clomid PCT is inadequate and outdated. You need much more than that. Here is what I recommend

Liquid Clomid 50/50/25/25 (AncillaryGuys // AG-Guys.com - The #1 online Natural Ancillary retailer!)
Formastanozol 5 pumps twice daily (MR Supps)
Test Stack 17 or PHYTOSERMS (see link below for info and discounts)
Ostarine 25mg per day (SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators)

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...17-not-your-average-test-booster-1257533.html

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...hytoserms-347-347-beyond-natural-1260633.html

 

[Shrine1]

350mg for 14 weeks would be a great cycle, with low sides.

However, the Nolva and Clomid PCT is inadequate and outdated. You need much more than that. Here is what I recommend

Liquid Clomid 50/50/25/25 (AncillaryGuys // AG-Guys.com - The #1 online Natural Ancillary retailer!)
Formastanozol 5 pumps twice daily (MR Supps)
Test Stack 17 or PHYTOSERMS (see link below for info and discounts)
Ostarine 25mg per day (SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators)

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...17-not-your-average-test-booster-1257533.html

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...hytoserms-347-347-beyond-natural-1260633.html

Rick is the man when it comes to recover bro.. he laid out a perfect plan of attack. AG guys is legit chems too. The only thing I might add personally is GW from Sarms1.

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[burnthiscorpse]

Haha damn you boys plug a shitload of products

Read the thread in my sig. I don't "plug" anything. OP, you need to do some work on your outdated shitty PCT.

300mg test wk is more than enough for a first cycle. Don't worry about an AI. Have it on hand but its not enough test to warrant AI use. You need estrogen.

 

[Shrine1]

Haha damn you boys plug a shitload of products

I only plug what works.

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[LostCauze]

This isn't my first cycle. I have used many ph's in the past when I was a power lifter and I've done two previous aas cycles. I just haven't taken anything in a little over a year so get my diet and training in check.

Thanks for all the replys guys! Very helpful.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

This isn't my first cycle. I have used many ph's in the past when I was a power lifter and I've done two previous aas cycles. I just haven't taken anything in a little over a year so get my diet and training in check.

Thanks for all the replys guys! Very helpful.

Knowing your cycle history would have been very helpful before. Not PH's, just the real AAS.

 

[Essie]

350mg/wk x 14 wks is good with the 40mg/day x 4 wks DBol front load. Old school PCT with the Clomid, Nolva and HCG and less effective than what Rick laid out for you ... but still a helluva lot more effective than having NO PCT. If you follow the Nolva, Clomid and HCG protocol ... once it is finished, really look into some natty test booster supps. It will also help.

 

[LostCauze]

Knowing your cycle history would have been very helpful before. Not PH's, just the real AAS.

I talked a lil but about It in my original post, didn't go too in depth

 

[LostCauze]

350mg/wk x 14 wks is good with the 40mg/day x 4 wks DBol front load. Old school PCT with the Clomid, Nolva and HCG and less effective than what Rick laid out for you ... but still a helluva lot more effective than having NO PCT. If you follow the Nolva, Clomid and HCG protocol ... once it is finished, really look into some natty test booster supps. It will also help.

I have the forma and clomid on hand. Seen a lot of people talking about Sarms lately so I'll have to look more into it. Thanks man.

 

[LostCauze]

350mg for 14 weeks would be a great cycle, with low sides.

However, the Nolva and Clomid PCT is inadequate and outdated. You need much more than that. Here is what I recommend

Liquid Clomid 50/50/25/25 (AncillaryGuys // AG-Guys.com - The #1 online Natural Ancillary retailer!)
Formastanozol 5 pumps twice daily (MR Supps)
Test Stack 17 or PHYTOSERMS (see link below for info and discounts)
Ostarine 25mg per day (SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators)

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...17-not-your-average-test-booster-1257533.html

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...hytoserms-347-347-beyond-natural-1260633.html

Do you think that if I ran the clomid/nolva pct as listed above that would counteract and potential shutdown that the ostarine could cause at that dose? Or should I taper the dose of ostarine @ week 3 and 4

 

[dylangemelli]

you are running clomid too high bro... there is no need to exceed 50 mg a day of clomid... ostarine will not start to cause suppression until you exceed 4 weeks of use... with a strong pct, you definitely don't have the need to worry about suppression... I just started a video series on ostarine... Mk-2866 (Ostarine) The Series: Part 1 Ostarine Facts: By Dylan Gemelli - YouTube

read my articles on sarms... Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators (SARMS) - Evolutionary.org

you would MAXIMIZE your cycle by adding gw-501516 to it... you could also add a lot of extra size that is EXTREMELY clean with lgd-4033... run gw at 20 mg a day and lgd at 10 mg a day... get all of your sarms at SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators.. let me know if you have any questions...