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lancer Lol. Holy shit man. You're only 5'6" and calling me a twirp? My 10 yr old cousin is taller than you. Who couldn't put a little muscle on that little frame? But what does it matter how much muscle you have? At 5'6" you don't have enough leverage to do anything with it, besides lift weights. And I'm guessing all you do is lift weights and you're probably muscle bound and that sucks for you man. Musclebound means you can barely move because your useless muscles are in the way of each other. And speed is what gets you places in football pal, not alot of weight. That gets you on the biggest loser. And what advice did you give about my cycle? I must've missed it? Oh, probably just said don't use steroids. Good information for the steroids site man. You must be another guy that thinks only short fat guys need steroids to write down how much they squat. Alot of good that will do you.
 
Alins advice is useful Of all the posts on here there has been maybe 2 that are useful, so I don't understand why you other guys are even on here.
 
lancer Lol. Holy shit man. You're only 5'6" and calling me a twirp? My 10 yr old cousin is taller than you. Who couldn't put a little muscle on that little frame? But what does it matter how much muscle you have? At 5'6" you don't have enough leverage to do anything with it, besides lift weights. And I'm guessing all you do is lift weights and you're probably muscle bound and that sucks for you man. Musclebound means you can barely move because your useless muscles are in the way of each other. And speed is what gets you places in football pal, not alot of weight. That gets you on the biggest loser. And what advice did you give about my cycle? I must've missed it? Oh, probably just said don't use steroids. Good information for the steroids site man. You must be another guy that thinks only short fat guys need steroids to write down how much they squat. Alot of good that will do you.
5'8 learn to read lol. and ya I called ya a twirp, ya mad bro? Speed and not weight okaaaay lol. I said listen to Zyg and Machine is the advice I gave again learn to read man its funny seeing how frustrated you get lol.
 
Alins advice is useful Of all the posts on here there has been maybe 2 that are useful, so I don't understand why you other guys are even on here.
Again your opinion, fact is there is lots of useful advice its just advice you don't want to hear, so we do not understand why you are even here. Oh and there are recievers more than 10lbs heavier and 1' shorter than you in Div1 Football and younger, you have been training a few years more than them lol.
 
Wow. I've said it once, I'll say it again. When Zyg speaks, your note pad better be ready. 90% of that Zyg's 9000 posts are helpful quality feedback from years of experience and knowledge. There are guys on this board who should be paid for the advice they give. You're getting it free and being ungrateful to say the least. Bodybuilders aren't fighters, they are body GURU's. Bodybuilders are masters of the body, hence the name of the sport. If you want to change your body, a BB knows how. Nutrition-training-endocrine are subjects they all must master.

Mr. Fish, I don't know who taught you about MMA but my guess is that you actually don't fight or possibly just signed up at a MMA gym and now think you know all. It's not common that a fighter wants to go up in weight class. There are circumstances where they do, but most of them win a title at a lower class or are naturally prodigal athletes. At 6 ft you have many choices of weight classes. I know for a fact your trainer/coach is not telling you to jump a weight class. Fighters are hard pressed to successfully fight their natural equilibrium.

If your goal is to get to 185 from 170, you CAN NOT train like you are prepping for the next fight. Rather, as Zyg has state, you must modify your training to gain size, then, you can go back to fight prep.

"A fighter can often add or shed muscle mass to move a weight class (sometimes two), but there is generally a weight where their cardiovascular and muscular-skeletal structures are healthy and efficient. Fighting outside this "natural" weight class generally means you're giving up strength, speed, or other." - words from a fighter.


Its ok to be wrong bud. We all knew everything once.
 
Sure. id call then scrawny too from a BB or PL standpoint, but they are still amazing athletes and fighters.

We know your asking about steroids, and what we are telling you is you dont need them for your goals. AAS will likely hamper your endurance and possible cause muscle pumps that interfere with existing training. We are not telling you to lay around and eat bon bons either but you cant add mass without consuming the building blocks to support it, pretty simple concept.

Strength training is what you need, not steroids. Can you even deadlift 2x your bodyweight?

Lol just my input but GSP isn't scrawny at all. Maybe compared to top level BBs such as jay cutler but then again how many jay cutlers do you see walking around? GSP isn't huge but he sure as hell isn't scrawny. Just saying man.
 
Lol just my input but GSP isn't scrawny at all. Maybe compared to top level BBs such as jay cutler but then again how many jay cutlers do you see walking around? GSP isn't huge but he sure as hell isn't scrawny. Just saying man.

Okay, maybe by the precise websters dictionary definition he isnt scrawny but 5'10 170lbs is from a pure size/mass standpoint average at best. That would put him what 100lbs lighter than off season jay and significantly lighter than anyone who strength trains as a primary focus at the same height. Regardless of GSP's build there is no doubt he is an awesome athlete and fighter, thats not in question here.
 
If you determined to take something pick either the var or tbol. I would not take 2 orals. I'd take tbol for 5-6 weeks @ 50-60mg ed or Var for 8 weeks @ 60-80mg. I'd still take at least 500mg test a week. You will lose the bloat after your cycle. JMO
 
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