Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I used andropen 275 last year and went from 180 to 195. Circumstances out of my control caused me to not be able to lift or eat much for a few months and i went down to 170. I decided I wasn't going to worry about putting the muscle back on and focus more on fight training plus I could then fight in a lighter weight class. So I'm not really wanting to do a test cycle because I think I'd add too much weight, making me get bigger and slower. So that's why I'm more interested in something like anavar. So how long should I run the anavar then? The whole 8 weeks? Or 6 weeks after 4 weeks of turanabol? I'd like to keep the turanabol in the cycle to gain a little size and strength. Just not as much size as test or dianabol. And btw zyglamail even marathon runners on a strict diet have a use in their sport for steroids. Again, everyones goal isn't the same. Lance Armstrong was a cyclist, he wasn't using steroids to get bigger and bulkier, and he sure wasn't gonna alter his training and diet to get bigger and stronger. His training was geared toward winning championships in cycling and steroids allegedly HELPED him do that.
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Once again, no offense bro but I have a hard time believing you are anywhere near as elite as armstong and even if you were I stand by my original assessment based on YOUR goals. Just to remind you what you said they were......
if your looking for no bloat, strength and a little size you DONT NEED AAS you simply need to adjust your training and diet accordingly.
Im continually amazed how people with little or no mass think they need AAS to add a few lbs.
I'm certainly not claiming to be elite as Armstrong. That doesn't mean I don't want to succeed in my sport. And to succeed I have certain training that I'm not going to alter for the sake of a few pounds. I'd simply like to get more out of the strength training that I do. Do you get it yet bro? I don't understand why you are so offended by me wanting to do a quick cycle to jump up a weight class and get a little stronger? As I said I got the diet and training in check. I'm not gonna add calories because I consume enough already. And I'm not gonna add more weight lifting because I don't want to overtrain. I have in the past and I know what I can handle. So how about some input on what I'm asking for?? Thank You.
I'm thinking:
Option 1:
Wks 1-4 tbol 50-60mg/daily
Wks 5-8 anavar 50mg/daily
Option 2:
Wks 1-4 Tbol 50mg/daily
Wks 1-8 Anavar 50mg/daily
Option 3:
Beastdrol?? Is this even a steroid? It doesn't appear to be from what I've been reading so far
And What would be a good PCT for the above mentioned cycles? I like what I've heard about toremifine. How much and when should I use this?
Option 1:
Wks 1-4 tbol 50-60mg/daily
Wks 5-8 anavar 50mg/daily
Option 2:
Wks 1-4 Tbol 50mg/daily
Wks 1-8 Anavar 50mg/daily
Option 3:
Beastdrol?? Is this even a steroid? It doesn't appear to be from what I've been reading so far
And What would be a good PCT for the above mentioned cycles? I like what I've heard about toremifine. How much and when should I use this?
What offends me is your lack of common sense when it comes to what people are telling you. By your own admission your not going to eat more or change your training so with that in mind, why even waste your time with AAS, anything you get from it, which will likely be minimal because you refuse to alter anything, wont last because once again you refuse to alter anything.
You asking for strength and mass all the while refusing to eat more or change your training to retain what little you will gain which means it will likely be an epic waste of time and unnecessarily shut you down for no reason at all.
What I am doing, believe it or not, is listening to what you are telling us you will and will not do and in turn offering advice that is in all likely hood accurate even though its not what you want to hear. Im trying to save you time, money and the inevitable HPTA shutdown you are going to have all so you can gains some strength that your not going to keep because you refuse to alter whats needed to keep it.
You want pct advice, run HCG throughout cycle at 2x a week 250IU a dose and run it until 1 week after last oral dose, then stop and wait for your system to start back up. Dont waste your time with nolva/clomid. Good luck!
Zyglamail. Steroids are what you turn to after you have done all the right things in other areas and then you stop making gains. Steroids get you to that next level. That is where I'm at right now. While training to fight, I'm not going to get much bigger than 175. It's just too much to devote aot of time to weights and it is also hard to keep on weight while doing the things involved in boxing/mma. Genetics also play a role and that is why you should never get too caught up in numbers. Again, I'm simply trying to get the most out of the calories I eat and the lifting I do. Steroids no doubt will help me achieve that. I know bc I've been there. And I'm not telling anyone what I will or will not do I'm letting people know what I'm considering and asking for advice on what Steroids I should and should not use. And at what dosages and how long and when I should run them. I appreciate you and anyone else willing to help. Thank You.
Steroids are only going to help your situation while you are taking them and then results will be less than ideal in terms of strength or size because thats NOT what you are training and eating for.
If your going to be "on" for your next fight I would be inclined to agree with your goals BUT as I said, steroids are not a magic panacea you seem to think they are.
YOU CAN NOT continue to train as you do and eat as you do and expect to maintain gains once you end the cycle.
To attain and MAINTAIN strength you need to continually work strength. Just like your endurance, if you stop your endurance work, your endurance will suffer. As a fighter you have to walk a very fine line and balance what your genetics allow. That being said I dont for one minute buy that you cant increase your strength greatly, with little mass gain and without hampering your endurance naturally IF you are simply willing to alter your training with those goals in mind. The problem however is you, like so many athletes are stuck in a rutt and refuse to alter what works yet expect some miracle to change the outcome of your workouts.
That miracle, to you, is steroids, and I do agree it will help to a degree BUT only while you are on them because you refuse to change your workouts and diet. So once again, if you refuse to alter your training and diet to account for and build some strength dont expect to keep it post cycle.
Additionally as I already mentioned you may also find that you will have to experiment a bit to find a dose that works for you without causing the pumps that so many folks get when attempting endurance work and to top it all off orals are hard on the system.
Im trying to look at your goals, what your willing to do to acheive them (which is nothing but pop some pills) and you expect them to take you to the next level. Hate to break the news to you but they will only keep you at the next level while you continue to use them if your not going to change anything else.
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This is true. I would add, the marathon runner nor Lance Armstrong would be on a bodybuilding web site looking for advice on what cycle to take. I would touch base with some guys that are in mma and find out what they are using and doing.
Zyglamail You make some good points in your last post. I don't think they're some magic pill though. I've done one cycle and I know what they can do. Yes. they are mostly temporary gains. You do what you can training and eating until you can't do any more then you get on steroids to reach the next level. You come off the steroids and you continue to do the best you can training and eating and you use some PCT drugs to keep what you can but you won't stay on that level. This is the same with anyone using steroids. I'm no different. I want those gains and I'll do what I need to make them. Right now the next rung on the ladder is steroids. I know I won't keep everything, but no one does. I'm also asking for the proper PCT to keep what I can. So from what I've read the options I have listed above seem to be the best, but I'd like some opinions or recommendations on steroids. That's why I posted on this site. So again, any help in that regard will be greatly appreciated. Thank You.
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