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Taking the HRT Plunge

VintageStrat

VintageStrat

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Finally plunked down the cash to do this the right way

I'm 55, in great shape, swim a lot, run, push ups, crunches, not a lot of gym work any more
Got a great Doctor, had blood work done
Began this week on

Arimidex 0.5mg 3 times a week
Test Cyp 200 mg once a week
HGH 1.5 iu 5 on 2 off
HCG twice a week

Blood work came out with Test in mid 200's

What can I realistically expect? This is honestly the first time I have done any AAS or HRT except for about 6 months last year with Test E
So I am essentially clean as far a aas usage goes

Comments/advice??
Thanks
 
You will do great with HRT doses at those levels. True doses are around 100mg a week but I can tell you that at 200mg a week your Test blood levels are going to skyrocket to over 1200- 1400 range easily. Careful, you may break out with acne with high, high levels. You will feel like a million dollars!!! Congrats!!
 
I don't think it is necessary 200mg per week. That is high for a TRT. Maybe 100 a week will be enough. Throw in Unleashed to increase free test, and you'll be 25 again.
 
Thanks Guys!
So, the idea is to actually keep the test going in to a low and work to "free" that, to make it actually "usable" to my body?
Does that make sense?
I'm actually just so happy to finally have a Doctor/Group who will help me with this that I wanted to strictly follow their advice, although honestly, the tendency is to "over" use.
 
VintageStrat said:
Thanks Guys!
So, the idea is to actually keep the test going in to a low and work to "free" that, to make it actually "usable" to my body?
Does that make sense?
I'm actually just so happy to finally have a Doctor/Group who will help me with this that I wanted to strictly follow their advice, although honestly, the tendency is to "over" use.
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Exactly. And 100mg a week, is all you need to keep your levels at the maximum a human can produce naturally at any point in life. And like mentioned before, you will feel low test symptoms, if you don't have enough free test. You can inject 1,000mg a week, you'll grow like a bull, but your libido will be dead, if there is not enough free test. To lower SHBG you can use proviron, or the natural way, Unleashed.
 
"Unleashed" appears to be out of stock
Is that a common supplement blend available at other places as well?
I'v googled it and can't seem to find it elsewhere
THX DJ
 
VintageStrat said:
"Unleashed" appears to be out of stock
Is that a common supplement blend available at other places as well?
I'v googled it and can't seem to find it elsewhere
THX DJ
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you can check at bobybuilding dot com, needto store, or proteinfactory.com

I am not sure if orbitnutrition.com carry unleashed too, but you can check.

And on a side note, it is always better to a track of your blood levels through blood tests. If you can measure before and after, is always better. That way you can go adjusting each ingredient of your HRT regime. But most important, is understanding how your body works.
 
VintageStrat said:
Finally plunked down the cash to do this the right way

I'm 55, in great shape, swim a lot, run, push ups, crunches, not a lot of gym work any more
Got a great Doctor, had blood work done
Began this week on

Arimidex 0.5mg 3 times a week
Test Cyp 200 mg once a week
HGH 1.5 iu 5 on 2 off
HCG twice a week

Blood work came out with Test in mid 200's

What can I realistically expect? This is honestly the first time I have done any AAS or HRT except for about 6 months last year with Test E
So I am essentially clean as far a aas usage goes

Comments/advice??
Thanks
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You are close to my age (58) I would recommend joining a gym or getting one of those weight machine towers so you can train each bodypart,training along with a good diet and HGH you can have the body of a 30 yr old.
Exercise slows the aging process,lowers bad cholorestrol and blood pressure,you will gain endurance,better sleep and a better sense of well being.

Welcome to elite if i can be of any help i'm just a pm away.

RADAR
 
DJ_UFO said:
you can check at bobybuilding dot com, needto store, or proteinfactory.com

I am not sure if orbitnutrition.com carry unleashed too, but you can check.

And on a side note, it is always better to a track of your blood levels through blood tests. If you can measure before and after, is always better. That way you can go adjusting each ingredient of your HRT regime. But most important, is understanding how your body works.
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Thanks again DJ.
Yes, I did do a full Blood Panel to kick this off incuding a CBC, and the idea is to monitor regularly although with my changing insurance status that might eventually prove costly.

I'll check on those other sites right away for UNLEASHED, definitely.

Have a great week!!
VS
 
RADAR said:
You are close to my age (58) I would recommend joining a gym or getting one of those weight machine towers so you can train each bodypart,training along with a good diet and HGH you can have the body of a 30 yr old.
Exercise slows the aging process,lowers bad cholorestrol and blood pressure,you will gain endurance,better sleep and a better sense of well being.

Welcome to elite if i can be of any help i'm just a pm away.

RADAR
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Wow, thanks a lot Radar!
I was beginning to think I was the oldest Guy around here...(its amazing to see all these young guys doing hrt and aas), I consciously waited until I was older for it, especially in conjunction with HGH, for a greater benefit..not sure if that was the right descion, but it feels great!

Really appreciate the "Atta Boy", its a great site for learning that I'll be happy to turn others on to as well.
Happy Holidays
VS:biggrin:
 
Grats on getting 200/week -- that's high end for always-on HRT. Normally you can get 100 mg/week continuous from a doctor, or you can get prescriptions for cycles in the 300 mg/week range.

Do remember you're injecting a long-acting ester (10ish days half life) on a weekly basis indefinitely. If I were you, I'd periodically (i.e. every 8-12 weeks) skip at least two weeks of test shots just to give myself a chance to clean-out a little. I know you're not worried about suppressing your own natural production -- this would just be a way to do a soft reset every now and then. With cyp, you won't feel much if you miss one or two shots anyway.
 
mrplunkey said:
Grats on getting 200/week -- that's high end for always-on HRT. Normally you can get 100 mg/week continuous from a doctor, or you can get prescriptions for cycles in the 300 mg/week range.

Do remember you're injecting a long-acting ester (10ish days half life) on a weekly basis indefinitely. If I were you, I'd periodically (i.e. every 8-12 weeks) skip at least two weeks of test shots just to give myself a chance to clean-out a little. I know you're not worried about suppressing your own natural production -- this would just be a way to do a soft reset every now and then. With cyp, you won't feel much if you miss one or two shots anyway.
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Got it MRP, I'll put that on the calendar and skip 2 doses every 2 or 3 months. Great advice, Thanks
 
Back off a bit on the adex. Try just 0.25 mg twice a week. I found that adex is very strong and can drag your esto too low.
Men need esto.

I'd also get the hgh down to 1-2 iu eod.

The testo is a little high ... but some extra will be fun.

With this fine tuning, I think you'll like the results over a 90 day period.

Reduce the sugar in your diet, have a reasonable workout routine and recover completely.
 
Thanks Lion
I think you are actually right, AND I misspoke about the HCG as well, I did the conversion wrong, Doc's got me on 500ius twice a week on the 5th and 6th day after Test. That seems a bit high as well, no?
 
Looks good VintageStrat. You and your doctor might want to back off on the adex a bit. You might be good with .5 mg 2 times per week. Work with your doc.

HCG can be just as effective for some a doses as low as 250mg 2 time per week.

Here a is an HCG protocol for TRT folks that works well:

HCG at 250IU two days before, as well as the day immediately previous to, your IM shot.

You have found a great place for information and community. I am 49 years old and have been a memember since 2002.
 
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Welcome Vintagestrat. I'm 57 and I have been on since March. Test Cyp 100mg/week...seems to be my sweet spot. I lost 50 lbs and 6.5" off my waist...took BMI from 34 to 21!!! If I can figure out how to post pics I'll do a Before and After....people don't recognize me.

I am in the gym 3 days a week and walk or run a mile or two every night. I have learned a lot from these guys...stayt tuned!!.

Let me know when you find Unleashed...I am looking for it as well.

Update...ok here are the before and after pics.

Pic No 1 11-14-09...6-2...304 lbs...BMI 34%

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww52/sprink49/JF11-14-2008.jpg

Pic No 2 10-19- 09...6-2...248 lbs...BMI 21%

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww52/sprink49/John10-16-09_edited.jpg

As you can see...this has changed me dramatically.

Thanks for all of your help and encouragement.
 
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An online store has it in stock. Do a google search on: "unleashed bodybuilding". The 1st hit on the list has it in stock!
 
straitedge52 said:
Welcome Vintagestrat. I'm 57 and I have been on since March. Test Cyp 100mg/week...seems to be my sweet spot. I lost 50 lbs and 6.5" off my waist...took BMI from 34 to 21!!! If I can figure out how to post pics I'll do a Before and After....people don't recognize me.

I am in the gym 3 days a week and walk or run a mile or two every night. I have learned a lot from these guys...stayt tuned!!.

Let me know when you find Unleashed...I am looking for it as well.
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Congratulations. Besides the sense of well being, good mood, better libido, energy, have you had any blood test done during this time to track estrogen, total test, free test and other numbers?
 
Yes sir. I had one done in September and the red blood count was a bit elevated...donated a pint ...re tested and all is well. Testosterone is in the 750~800 range. I'm due for another test in January.
 
Muchos Gracias Gentlemen !
This is a great place, I've already learned a lot. Seems like with just a bit of tweaking, its going to be a hellava ride. just finished my second week on this protocol, so I WILL stay tuned and report back.
I'll check that search engine for Unleashed, Thanks
 
straitedge52 said:
Welcome Vintagestrat. I'm 57 and I have been on since March. Test Cyp 100mg/week...seems to be my sweet spot. I lost 50 lbs and 6.5" off my waist...took BMI from 34 to 21!!! If I can figure out how to post pics I'll do a Before and After....people don't recognize me.

I am in the gym 3 days a week and walk or run a mile or two every night. I have learned a lot from these guys...stayt tuned!!.

Let me know when you find Unleashed...I am looking for it as well.

Update...ok here are the before and after pics.

Pic No 1 11-14-09...6-2...304 lbs...BMI 34%

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww52/sprink49/JF11-14-2008.jpg

Pic No 2 10-19- 09...6-2...248 lbs...BMI 21%

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww52/sprink49/John10-16-09_edited.jpg

As you can see...this has changed me dramatically.

Thanks for all of your help and encouragement.
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Hey Man,

Found UNLEASHED here, its on the way, different labling but it seems like the same ingredients.

Bodybuilding.com - Protein Factory Unleashed - Testosterone Releaser!* On sale now!

Prefer to use Fitness Elite, but I can't wait too long for it...next time

Wow, You've dramatically changed your physique!! Great Job Man!
I'm on 200 test c each week plus the hgh 5 on 2 off.....Just starting my 3rd week..I'm just waiting for my energy levels to kick up....One of the Main reasons I started this whole AA-HRT things was low energy.....always tired. From what I understand after a couple of months of this my energy levels will kick up.
Did you notice that?

:santa:
 
Hey Man,

Found Unleashed here, its on the way, different labling but it seems like the same ingredients.

Bodybuilding.com - Protein Factory Unleashed - Testosterone Releaser!* On sale now!

Prefer to use Fitness Elite, but I can't wait too long for it...next time

Wow, You've dramatically changed your physique!! Great Job Man!
I'm on 200 test c each week plus the hgh 5 on 2 off.....Just starting my 3rd week..I'm just waiting for my energy levels to kick up....One of the Main reasons I started this whole AA-HRT things was low energy.....always tired. From what I understand after a couple of months of this my energy levels will kick up.
Did you notice that?
Hey Dude...

Thanks for your thoughts and comments.

I received my unleashed yesterday in the mail from Bodybuilding.com...too soon to tell effects. As far as the test is concerned, I felt it in the third week. After that it ramped up really fast...energy, libido, mental focus, etc. You might accelerate this with gym work, running, swimming, etc. Also you will notice the return of an old friend...morning wood.:D

Make sure you focus also on diet and supplements...especially whey powder. Optimal's Gold Standard works well for me...less bloating than others because it contains digestive enzymes.

Lately, the thing that has mad a big difference for me has been N02 Platinum by MRI. All my muscles have become rock hard and my energy level has picked up 50%. I caught it on sale by chance at Vitamin Shop for $17.99/bottle ...normally $74.99!!! It was on a sale table of stuff that was going out of date in 1/10. This stuff works big time for me.

I am cutting some now but weight is staying the same...must be fat to muscle transference.

I'll let you know about the Unleashed over the next few days.
 
straitedge52 said:
Hey Man,

Found Unleashed here, its on the way, different labling but it seems like the same ingredients.

Bodybuilding.com - Protein Factory Unleashed - Testosterone Releaser!* On sale now!

Prefer to use Fitness Elite, but I can't wait too long for it...next time

Wow, You've dramatically changed your physique!! Great Job Man!
I'm on 200 test c each week plus the hgh 5 on 2 off.....Just starting my 3rd week..I'm just waiting for my energy levels to kick up....One of the Main reasons I started this whole AA-HRT things was low energy.....always tired. From what I understand after a couple of months of this my energy levels will kick up.
Did you notice that?

Hey Dude...

Thanks for your thoughts and comments.

I received my unleashed yesterday in the mail from Bodybuilding.com...too soon to tell effects. As far as the test is concerned, I felt it in the third week. After that it ramped up really fast...energy, libido, mental focus, etc. You might accelerate this with gym work, running, swimming, etc. Also you will notice the return of an old friend...morning wood.:D

Make sure you focus also on diet and supplements...especially whey powder. Optimal's Gold Standard works well for me...less bloating than others because it contains digestive enzymes.

Lately, the thing that has mad a big difference for me has been N02 Platinum by MRI. All my muscles have become rock hard and my energy level has picked up 50%. I caught it on sale by chance at Vitamin Shop for $17.99/bottle ...normally $74.99!!! It was on a sale table of stuff that was going out of date in 1/10. This stuff works big time for me.

I am cutting some now but weight is staying the same...must be fat to muscle transference.

I'll let you know about the Unleashed over the next few days.
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I'll probably receive my UNLEASHED today and kick it off right away.
Curious to see how that stuff will work.

Best of Luck ,let me know

VS
 
OK...just finished the first 7 days of Unleashed and moving to the 2nd week period.

For the first few days or so I didn't notice any thing. Around days 4 & 5 things started to "focus" a bit and now I will say that it was well worth the effort/price. It just seems to enhance and intensify the whole HRT deal for me.
 
Yeah, I'm in about a week now myself with Unleashed.......hard to say honestly tho, as I'm just finishing up my third week with the new HRT protocol.............You're probably in a better postion to recognize it Straitedge..
I did notice a "bit" of difference but you are like what, 8 or so months ahead of me? So I'm just beginning to notice the benefits of the whole new deal...
Hey do you think there are any dicernable diffs between formulations or makers of UNLEASHED ? Or is it pretty much a standard deal? Because mine is from the Protein Factory.

BTW love your avatar.............he was one cool MF er.....I have a new pic in my profile.but it won't come through on my posts somehow
 
Wow...what a screwy last few days...have not been in the gym in 6 days...I'm having withdrawal symptoms!! LOL I was able to get a few 15 mile bike rides in and some push ups/crunches around the hose but that's it.

My Unleashed is Protein Factory brand as well. I am in the single dose phase and this stuff seems to compliment the other supplements I am taking. I have no experience with other brands...this is my first run with Unleashed.

I am very interested in your deal with the HGH and might talk to my Dr. about it after the New Year. I would like to compare and get feed back on your results with it.

Yeah...McQueen was the "Essence of Cool". I remember watching him on the TV show "Wanted Dead or Alive" in the '50s when I was a kid. He played this bounty hunter named Josh Randall. Later came the "Magnificent Seven" and he stole the show. I have collected most of his DVDs and watch Bullet at least 4 x a year...it's great to put on at parties on a big screen and run a loop of the car chase....the best ever shot...period. You find out who the McQueen fans are real quick. I think he grabbed James Dean's persona and style and ran with it. As you say...he was one cool Mthr Fkr.
 
OK.....After a long Consult with my MD, I am NOT going to add supplements (unleashed) and I am NOT going to adjust the amount of adex that He prescribed.
I am going to give the protocol as prescribed time to work.
Couple of weeks ago I added Unleashed and took my adex from .5 to .25 three times a week, and immediately got tired and drowsy... I now realize that I was letting
the Estrogen build and build. I stopped the supplement and kicked the adex back up to .5 and it was like I was shot out of a cannon!
My Doc told Me that even though He has seen some supplements lower SHBG, they almost always increase Estrogen in the end as well .
As I originally stated, I am fairly new to this, so I am going to let my new program begin to work its majic before I go in and try to change anything
Lesson Learned
 
I did adex about 4 months ago for about 6 weeks...no change noted. My test levels are fairly stable withe the weekly 100 MG. I am intrigued by the HGH and will quiz my Dr. about it next visit. I have felt the Unleashed but I am feeling this NO2 Platinum that I have been running in December to a greater degree. I am running along at a comfortable pace..."picking up yardage on every play."
 
Try looking for Anti-Aging Specialists in your area, then begin calling and querying them as to the availability of the program you are seeking. Thats what I did.
 
:confused: Female, 48 here. I feel I'm prime candidate for hgh. Been doing research for quite some time and would appreciate input. Seems like the more I read, the more confused I get!
 
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