Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I have used this stuff many times before and I have never experienced this much pain. There is absolutely no way I could shoot this every third day as I had planned. It is almost to the point of fainting when I put my pants on because it hurts so damn bad. Anyone know how to cut down on the pain without adding deca or anything else?
T400 Lot #tt013 the pain is UNBEARABLE. Anyone know how to help this?
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marshallmadman
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Cut with equal parts EQ or sterile oil. That will get you through.
I've never done it alone untill now, so that is the reason for the pain I guess. It literally takes the full two weeks to get the soreness out and I'm barely ready for the shot when I have to take it. Got to do one today and I'm not looking forward to this, so I may cut it with a cc of oil.
Stainless_Steel
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Maybe add some b-12 in with it
I just did 4 weeks of t400 denkal little to no pain. I was sore to the point I couldnt bend down for a day after my shots but after day one was over I was fine. I switched to cyp (first shot today) and nothing yet.
I know my shit is real cause of the results but is there a reason there was minimal to no pain?
I know my shit is real cause of the results but is there a reason there was minimal to no pain?
string_bean00
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Why do you guys still use T400 when there are dozens of better options out there?
mustang_00
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i remember one time i injected a cc in my calf (i didn't know it was painful) 
i couldn't walk for a week, it felt like my calf was going to explode. Haven't touched the stuff since
i couldn't walk for a week, it felt like my calf was going to explode. Haven't touched the stuff since
_Yossarian_
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mustang_00 said:i remember one time i injected a cc in my calf (i didn't know it was painful)
lmao! smart move!
K for surviving that, I would have amputated
monster2929
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I DONT GET IT- why use t-400 when there are millions of other ways to get 400 mgs of test I JUST DONT GET IT
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Mr.X
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Watson said:
bake it/make it sterile before use and get some of that BA out, Mexican gear is known for being crap and dirty a lot
Mr.X
i hate 400 and suspension
I cut it with some oil and did the shot a couple of hours ago. I can already feel the pain coming on but seems like it's a little better. I've gone back to t400 because usually I don't have this pain, but I also mix in some deca which I am not doing this cycle. Luckily it doesn't effect my workouts, even leg day isn't bad because the injection site is so high. I remember when QV first came out with products, thier prop was unbelievably painful. I was doing spot injections at the time and my bi's and tri's would swell up so much it would add an inch and a half to my arms. Luckily they droped the ba in their later batches.
T400 been good to me, some soreness, but nothing I could take.....PAIN was the Ttokyo Sos blend the one that came in the 5ml bottle............
For the record I used the T400 pre -first batch that they sent to Mexican Agriculture Ministry for testing and they had to cut on the propionate to make it bearable........
For the record I used the T400 pre -first batch that they sent to Mexican Agriculture Ministry for testing and they had to cut on the propionate to make it bearable........
BigGunsInc.
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Here is what i do. If you can get any, since it has been taken off the market...VIOX!! the stuff is amazing. works wonders!!
may be hard to find though.
BGI
may be hard to find though.
BGI
asianlover
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sparetire said:
forgive my ignorance, but what is the point of this. why would you mix two compounds with almost identicle esters. i have seen that aop makes something like this and was just curious why you wouldnt use one or the other.
Tux
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Asianlover, usually it's b/c adding two esters that are longer allows for higher concentrations with less solvent. In the case of enth/cyp though, it's pointless to me. Cyp is much harder to get into solution than BA, so usually cyp/enth preparations will hurt. Straight enth at 500mg/ml barely stings, or is painless. Cyp usually won't go above 300mg/ml without a little kick. With longer, more soluble esters like decanoate, etc, mixing esters is just a trick to try and get higher concentration with less solvent, which should mean less pain. I stick with straight enth myself, or straight cyp, at reasonable dosages.
ScienceGeek
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Inject it deep, and use the ventro-gluteal injection site. It made it painless. A quad shot, however, was crippling.
asianlover
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Tux said:
thanks for clearing that up bro. never new about the cyp having a little kick over 300. is that why 200mg/ml is more common than 250mg/ml
Tux
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Usually yes. Also, 200mg's is the common HRT dosage. 200mg once every 2-3 weeks. So 200mg/ml is easy dosing, 1ml= 1 dosage unit. US enanthate is also usually 200mg/ml for this reason. But for mex brands, UG, etc, cyp is usually 200mg/ml for less pain. However, cyp can be done 250-300mg/ml without pain usually, I've just never tried to go higher with it. Enanthate I've done up to 500mg/ml without pain.
organon250
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gotta dilute that shit bro with deca or eq or sterile oil.....now you know how it feels to get hit by a 200mph fastball. good luck
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PolfaJelfa
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WHAT T400 are you using.
I had the same problem with GTP T400. WORST CRAP I EVER SHOT.
And no it wasnt the BA...i posted numerous times about this. IF ITS BA IT WILL HURT UPPON SHOOTING LIKE A MOFO. This does not hurt....like tux says the crystals do no t disolve etc...are to large..or there is something else wrong...My arm swelled up couldnt walk for 7 days......arm red on the outer layer of skin..warm....couldnt sleep on side of shoulder...oil or water displaced and swole up my arm...leaked all the way down to elbow........rock hard lump which lasted for over 1 week. 6" radius around poke turned red and numb. HORIBLE. Hell even GTP says it isnt BA...they only "use 3%"
Real curious to the brand.
I had the same problem with GTP T400. WORST CRAP I EVER SHOT.
And no it wasnt the BA...i posted numerous times about this. IF ITS BA IT WILL HURT UPPON SHOOTING LIKE A MOFO. This does not hurt....like tux says the crystals do no t disolve etc...are to large..or there is something else wrong...My arm swelled up couldnt walk for 7 days......arm red on the outer layer of skin..warm....couldnt sleep on side of shoulder...oil or water displaced and swole up my arm...leaked all the way down to elbow........rock hard lump which lasted for over 1 week. 6" radius around poke turned red and numb. HORIBLE. Hell even GTP says it isnt BA...they only "use 3%"
Real curious to the brand.
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PolfaJelfa
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As far as the pain we are talking about here and making high dosed products..that arent painfull. Sory ive made things Enthanate, Cyp Decanoate of up to 600 mg.ml...NO FUCKING PAIN.
BULSHIT THAT YOU CAN NOT MAKE IT WITHOUT PAIN.....
Believe me guys.
The reason it hurts is it is MADE IMPROPERLY.....PERIOD
IF i knwo how to do it painlessly...and the company doesent..you dont want to ever ever deal with such a company. I know im never using GTP again.....so many Quality labs out there!
BULSHIT THAT YOU CAN NOT MAKE IT WITHOUT PAIN.....
Believe me guys.
The reason it hurts is it is MADE IMPROPERLY.....PERIOD
IF i knwo how to do it painlessly...and the company doesent..you dont want to ever ever deal with such a company. I know im never using GTP again.....so many Quality labs out there!
Mine is Denkall, but I got most of the same effects you just mentioned besides the stuff oozing out. I cut it with a cc of sterile oil from my fina kit last night and it made a huge difference. I was in so much pain before that I would get fever on the second and third nights after a shot.
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PolfaJelfa
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Didnt ooze out....IT leaked....from one part of my arm inside to another..all the way under elbow ( inside arm)
marshallmadman
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sparetire said:
I can tell you that shit definitely hurts. Been on it for 10 weeks now.
mustang_00
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_Yossarian_ said:lmao! smart move!
K for surviving that, I would have amputated
if you could only imagine the pain... it was in my right calf so i couldn't drive,go up stairs, basically couldn't walk unless i hopped on the other leg or crawled. At the time of this i was in highschool and my buddy was using T400 too he'd only inject in his calves at the time for some strange/retarded reason but he was dropping 2cc's in each calf and alternating them each week and it didn't phase him at all. You'd figure being on the track team and football team he would have been dying.
sparetire said:lol..i'll have to ask the chemist!
I will admit it's the dumbest made steroid I've ever seen, enanthate, cypionate and 25 mg. of prop. Makes absolutely no sense. I don't beleive there is a considerable difference in the enth and cyp esters. I got a 50cc bottle of the enanthate coming so I'll probably switch it out.
marshallmadman
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sparetire said:
I think he is referring to Denkall T-400, not Test LE 400.
string_bean00 said:
I have wondered this for YEARS as well
I think people STILL get all jazzed up since it packs 400 mg per ml
...So what though if you have to cut it with 1 ml sterile oil...Then all of a sudden its down to 200 mg/ml, and NO BETTER than ANY of the other testosterone choices on the Mexi market today
Next time I would buy QV if you are wanting MExi test
marshallmadman
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The Terminator said:I have wondered this for YEARS as well
I think people STILL get all jazzed up since it packs 400 mg per ml
Then all of a sudden its down to 200 mg/ml, and NO BETTER than ANY of the other testosterone choices on the Mexi market today
Next time I would buy QV if you are wanting MExi test
I agree. I got the best gains of my life off simple QV stuff. This UG crap bites the big one.
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