T400 Lot #tt013 the pain is UNBEARABLE. Anyone know how to help this?

[Bruce]

its all about ba density. i know of test 600 that doesn't hurt

 

[Watson]

I cut it with some oil and did the shot a couple of hours ago. I can already feel the pain coming on but seems like it's a little better. I've gone back to t400 because usually I don't have this pain, but I also mix in some deca which I am not doing this cycle. Luckily it doesn't effect my workouts, even leg day isn't bad because the injection site is so high. I remember when QV first came out with products, thier prop was unbelievably painful. I was doing spot injections at the time and my bi's and tri's would swell up so much it would add an inch and a half to my arms. Luckily they droped the ba in their later batches.

 

[Advisor_x]

T400 been good to me, some soreness, but nothing I could take.....PAIN was the Ttokyo Sos blend the one that came in the 5ml bottle............

For the record I used the T400 pre -first batch that they sent to Mexican Agriculture Ministry for testing and they had to cut on the propionate to make it bearable........

 

[sparetire]

what kind of test are we talking about here? suspension, enth, cyp ? I have test le (200mg of enth and 200 mgs of cyp) and I haven't tried it yet, but from what i was told it was painless so i'm now curious to what this is..

 

[BigGunsInc.]

Here is what i do. If you can get any, since it has been taken off the market...VIOX!! the stuff is amazing. works wonders!!

may be hard to find though.

BGI

 

[asianlover]

(200mg of enth and 200 mgs of cyp)

forgive my ignorance, but what is the point of this. why would you mix two compounds with almost identicle esters. i have seen that aop makes something like this and was just curious why you wouldnt use one or the other.

 

[Tux]

Asianlover, usually it's b/c adding two esters that are longer allows for higher concentrations with less solvent. In the case of enth/cyp though, it's pointless to me. Cyp is much harder to get into solution than BA, so usually cyp/enth preparations will hurt. Straight enth at 500mg/ml barely stings, or is painless. Cyp usually won't go above 300mg/ml without a little kick. With longer, more soluble esters like decanoate, etc, mixing esters is just a trick to try and get higher concentration with less solvent, which should mean less pain. I stick with straight enth myself, or straight cyp, at reasonable dosages.

 

[ScienceGeek]

Inject it deep, and use the ventro-gluteal injection site. It made it painless. A quad shot, however, was crippling.

 

[asianlover]

Asianlover, usually it's b/c adding two esters that are longer allows for higher concentrations with less solvent. In the case of enth/cyp though, it's pointless to me. Cyp is much harder to get into solution than BA, so usually cyp/enth preparations will hurt. Straight enth at 500mg/ml barely stings, or is painless. Cyp usually won't go above 300mg/ml without a little kick. With longer, more soluble esters like decanoate, etc, mixing esters is just a trick to try and get higher concentration with less solvent, which should mean less pain. I stick with straight enth myself, or straight cyp, at reasonable dosages.

thanks for clearing that up bro. never new about the cyp having a little kick over 300. is that why 200mg/ml is more common than 250mg/ml

 

[Tux]

Usually yes. Also, 200mg's is the common HRT dosage. 200mg once every 2-3 weeks. So 200mg/ml is easy dosing, 1ml= 1 dosage unit. US enanthate is also usually 200mg/ml for this reason. But for mex brands, UG, etc, cyp is usually 200mg/ml for less pain. However, cyp can be done 250-300mg/ml without pain usually, I've just never tried to go higher with it. Enanthate I've done up to 500mg/ml without pain.