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systema vs krav maga? and other questions

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which one is more effective in a street situation, do you think? also, are these "practical" real-life self defense situations actually good in unarmed combat, or only against inexperienced attackers weilding weapons on the street? For instance, hypothetically speaking, would a 5 year practioner of systema/krav maga fare well against a 5 year practioner of say, muay thai or brazilian jiu jitsu in a competition? thoughts, please.
 
i think there's a lot of confusion because both are presented as "real-world, dirty" defense arts. And that is certainly true, but in systema's case vastly oversimplified

Krav is a collection of effective yet not technical moves. Everything is kept simple and based on gross motor activity to make it accessible during an adrenaline dump. Krav's formula is this: block incoming attack while already attacking, and continue attacking in a barrage of painful ways until the attacker is down.

It took me awhile to understand what systema is, and you kinda have to go to a session to really get it but here goes.

Systema is an art based not at ALL on technique but entirely on principles. The principles are:
-relaxation
-breathing
-understanding human motion and balance
-knowing where to hit, push, or pull people to affect their motion and balance
-how to receive opponent's energy and transmit muscle tension into effective strikes
-knowing how to take strikes, pushes, without losing balance or succumbing to pain

All a systema training session is is a serious of drills designed to assist the the student in understanding those principles both mentally and also their body motion memory. Techniques are demonstrated not to be copied but to give students ideas of possible movements.

The goal is to practice reacting to attacks so many times that the process occurs automatically, kind of like "flow"

I wouldn't believe this if I didn't get my ass handed to me in extremely creative ways by a systema instructor. YOu try something and then you're on the ground, and you don't know how you got there. Except he's still standing and has you in an armbar.

It takes dedication but you can pick it up quickly with the right progression of drills and patience. I've sparred with people who'd only done it a year, they're very fluid and effective. Those who've done it 3+ years seem almost untouchable and can do smooth multi-opponent work. To answer your question, a 5-year systema practitioner would take out each other guy probably within seconds.
 
How long have you been taking classes?
How much does it cost near you (just looking for a ballpark idea)?
Does it negatively effect workouts?

I don't know why, but this sounds a lot more interesting to me than Muay Thai does for the time being.
 
Taking classes for a month and a half now.

Unfortunately for me in my area they only run once a week on sunday morning. So half the time I can't make it, and when I do it's hardly enough.

out of eagerness I bought 2 of the dvd's and me and my friend watch them together and do drills, so far that's been surprisingly effective, even moreso than class at this point

It's $10 for 2 hours, standard rate from what I can tell.

Doesn't negatively effect workouts at all. Being relaxation based, I'm never tired when I'm finished. In fact when I'm done with class I could easily do another few hours. We're making fast progress and it's really encouraging. Knife work is fun too
 
anyone ever go to any of the places in nyc? im thinking about contacting one of those schools..

i really like that it is based on principles not just techniques.. a set of techniques in a way is limiting what you can and cant do.. a system based on principles allows great adaptability but does potentially slow the learning curve a bit.. but worth it IMO..

thanks for the info!
 
You're from NYC as well? I was planning to contact Fight House. I live on LI though, and commuting would be a bitch with work + school.
 
Tom , Im starting to train again in 2 weeks - my instructor lost his lease in Chinatown and now is working out of his home on the Island - I travel 2 hours eac way for every class , and Id go further if I had to . Hes the best on the Eastern Seaboard as far as Im concerned . I can give you Directions as soon as Im going if you like .
 
Tom , if you havent heard anything out of me in 2 weeks bump this . I honestly just dont know the new adress yet , and they have to put in the Electrical still . Theyre supposed to be done by the 20th at the outside , and hpefully by the 13th .

If you would like any OTHER informatio can tell you it here , no Worries Just ask questions . Im drawing a blank at anything else to say .
 
awnyerneas said:
Damnit, there are never any cool schools In iowa!
LOL..That's what I used to say in frustration,when I was searching for instructors/seminars for Sayoc Kali.Most schools were located in the states,except for a couple in Canada.
However after speaking with blade master James Albert Keating,he recommended that I check out Vlad Vasiliev's school in Thornhill,Ontario which is only an hours drive away.Keating said he was an excellent teacher in Systema blade tactics,disarms as well as empty hand combat.
When speaking to Vlad,I mentioned that My right finger was healing in a splint,due to a laceration,which caused a severed flexor tendon.He still invited me to attend a class and do what I can,without jeporadizing recovery.I've been studying the Systema system and am very intrigued.I can't wait to start full training. :p

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