Strength a factor?

[dgatehouse]

Yea ive really got to agree cause I can give u an example, My training instructor for San shou was showing people how to do a take down move and he said it even works on big bulky guys. And then he grabbed me (keep in my first MA training day of my life, and I only had like 10-15 pounds on him all muscle though) And he tried to do it but he couldnt over and over I would just overpower him, and then he said well I must have wrestling background haha. Nope.

This reminds me of a time when I started training. My master was demonstrating a simple throw on a student who literally weighed at the time over 400 pounds. My master is about 180. He tried to gently throw him but the guy resisted not knowing any better. My master went "Oh, don't want to fall huh?" He did the move again full power taking out his legs with the throw. Holy shit that dude looked like he caught air before hitting the ground. Good times. The look on his face was priceless.

 

[Kane Fan]

I have been training jiu-jitsu for 7 years and am 6'1 345 lbs. and am considered strong. Makes no difference against guys from my school who go more consistently than I do, they end up tapping me. I last longer because of my strength, and even longer because of technique, but after awhile they are gonna catch me. I would rather be size with technique than size with little technique just having to go into a comp relying on power. Like Rickson says in choke, big strong guys are like monkeys in the trees, they are everywhere, but I am not worried about them. Just one of a million hilarious quotes from that movie.

you contradict yourself
you say strength makes no difference then you say you last longer because of your strength
your half right
the half that says strength does matter
if someone was 100lbs lighter and weaker then you with your same skill level they'd get tapped out that much faster

 

[Djimbe]

In responce to Kimo almost being Royce? No way dude.. Royce is a professional, and he showed his skills not only with that title-winning match, but with the several after that followed.

firstly , after the match Kimo looked like someone BARELY made him JOG for 5 min - he was hardly even breathing heavy - and Royce not only went to the Hospital , but had to be CARRIED from the Ring by his Obi , his legs Dragging behind him .

The ONLY thing that saved Royce was TWENTY YEARS more Experience . And 50 lbs or so was almost an Equaliser . Honestly , had the fight been to the Death I would put my $ on Kimo , Hyperextended Elbow or not . Armbars DO damage , but if the stakes were real they would never decide a thing .

In order to win against a person who is physically stronger than you, you must look for a weakness in their gameplan. Whether it be that they have low stamina, or that their legs are weak, or that they never protect their neck from a choke-out..

in most fights you dont have the luxury of looking at Film on your opponents b4hand . so you just better have YOUR game perfect , and not try to rely on any percieved weaknesses . Im not saying that if you see a shot dont take it , but a lot of ppl arent exactly weak were they appear to be .

There are always advantages for being the lighter guy- but I still think that strength plays a huge factor in winning a match- or a fight.
Its a combination of actually knowing what your doing, and having the ability to do it.

What advantages are there to being Lighter ? I understand if the heavier guy is like Akebono , non-Muscle weight , but if hes like Ronnie ? or ceven a decent Amateur BB or PL ? Please . Id take Marius' build over ANY pro MMA guys any day .

 

[Djimbe]

I have been training jiu-jitsu for 7 years and am 6'1 345 lbs. and am considered strong. Makes no difference against guys from my school who go more consistently than I do, they end up tapping me. I last longer because of my strength, and even longer because of technique, but after awhile they are gonna catch me. I would rather be size with technique than size with little technique just having to go into a comp relying on power. Like Rickson says in choke, big strong guys are like monkeys in the trees, they are everywhere, but I am not worried about them. Just one of a million hilarious quotes from that movie.

IN a SPORTIVE COMP , sure . But if youre REALLY 345lbs and its ALL muscle then you KNOW that if you were allowed to Strike then you would be able to Match Even with your Instructors .

 

[Djimbe]

strength is very important. all the technique and training in the world are useless
unless u have the strenght to use them. im sure judo to has beaten people much bigger than him but tom probable isnt a weekling eather. if u have decent strength and a lot of training u could take down a much stronger opponent. but if somone weighs 90lbs they probable wouldnt have a chance in hell agaist somone who weighed 260 no matter how much training they had. gracie was only 180lbs and 6'1" im 6'4" and 245lbs, and i am pretty sure he would kick my ass. i may be alot bigger and stronger but i dont think i would have much of a chance being that i have no experience.
btw if size and strenght didnt matter at all there would be no need for weight classes.

Youre about the size Kimo was when they fought . The difference is he had Trainers getting him SPECIFICALLY ready for him , and I have no Idea how Stong you are . If you were a Serious PL you might have a Shot , but a 60 lb weight advantage isnt Insurmountable with skill , its when yu start to get to the 100+lb with muscle differences that it gets serious .

 

[Judo Tom]

strength is like a safe legal suppliment

it will help but only to a degree and if its safe and legal why not add it to your arsenal.

most of your ability is still should come from other things like technique and training etc..

 

[Ianhockey91]

Take a look at tank, hes quite strong (600lb BP and all) and he gets beat by lighter more SKILLED opponents all the time.

 

[Kane Fan]

firstly , after the match Kimo looked like someone BARELY made him JOG for 5 min - he was hardly even breathing heavy - and Royce not only went to the Hospital , but had to be CARRIED from the Ring by his Obi , his legs Dragging behind him .

The ONLY thing that saved Royce was TWENTY YEARS more Experience . And 50 lbs or so was almost an Equaliser . Honestly , had the fight been to the Death I would put my $ on Kimo , Hyperextended Elbow or not . Armbars DO damage , but if the stakes were real they would never decide a thing .



in most fights you dont have the luxury of looking at Film on your opponents b4hand . so you just better have YOUR game perfect , and not try to rely on any percieved weaknesses . Im not saying that if you see a shot dont take it , but a lot of ppl arent exactly weak were they appear to be .



What advantages are there to being Lighter ? I understand if the heavier guy is like Akebono , non-Muscle weight , but if hes like Ronnie ? or ceven a decent Amateur BB or PL ? Please . Id take Marius' build over ANY pro MMA guys any day .

Marius does have a great build
but even if the extra weight is muscle it's more work on your cardio system to keep you moving so if the big guy hasn't put the extra effort into cardio (tho if he's got good definition we can assume he has) then the smaller guy with also no work into cardio will probubly have better stamina
also ground manuverability, it's easier for smaller guys to pull off moves that require a lot of movement then for a bigger guy
also if they dont' win they can say well what the heck he was bigger then me
not an advantage during the fight but helpful after

 

[rgjujitsu]

far from all muscle and would still not match my coach but without a doubt strength plays a role, tank is a perfect example

 

[Djimbe]

Marius does have a great build
but even if the extra weight is muscle it's more work on your cardio system to keep you moving so if the big guy hasn't put the extra effort into cardio (tho if he's got good definition we can assume he has) then the smaller guy with also no work into cardio will probubly have better stamina

Well , firstly thats why I called Out Marius , specifically . His Cardio is GREAT despite his Musculature , and he shows that if you want you can do both .

Secondly strength cuts Cardio .

If I only have to hit you 3 times to ring your bell and you have to hit me 20 , I have to do CONSIDERABLY Less work than you do .

also ground manuverability, it's easier for smaller guys to pull off moves that require a lot of movement then for a bigger guy

Ive never had any Issues moving on the Mat unless I was already tired . I weight 390-415 on any given day , and I move as fast as anyone else that I know . I think that that has more to do with Uneaven Weight Distribution - most o my Weight is in my lower body , and when youre built like a Golf Tee it really IS harder to move , and most ppl dont train their Legs well .