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firawesome

Starting again at 35
Love the forum! Have been reading nonstop for 4 hours now and gained plenty of information. Thanks guys. But, alas, I'm about to do what I think all newbies do when they come here. But this information really has been difficult to find.

Allow me to introduce myself:

Sex: Male
Age: 35 years old
Height: 5'10"
Current Weight: 195
Current fitness level: Trying to get back into shape after a ten year "period of relaxation". Been lifting weights for about a year. Aerobic exercise up to about 60 minutes three times a week. I've managed to lose 15 pounds by dieting and exercising and have pretty much turned my fitness level a full 180 degrees.

Goal: Basically, look like I did when I was 25. Dropping 15 pounds took me a ginger 7 months, and I've gained much more definition than I've had before. Now, I've been stuck for about 3 or 4 months. No further weight loss. No increased definition. And my abs aren't coming in!

Current diet: 2000-2200 calories a day. Generally 60% proteins. 30-50gms of which are post-workout.

Current supplements: Arginine 500mg before aerobic exercise. Nothing else.

I need advice on going to the next level. Advice with supplements is appreciated, but at my age, I know I'm going to need some hormonal (ie. anabolic steroid) help.

Thanks, and I'm really looking forward to being an active member here.
 
So I assume you want to go with a very light just to keep the muscle while dieting. I would go with something like this:

Cycle:
Week 1-8 Test Enanthate 250mg/week
Week 1-8 Arimidex .25mg ED
Week 3-8 HCG 250iu Mon & Thurs

PCT
Week 10-11 Nolva 40mg ED
Week 12-13 Nolva 20mg ED
Week 10-13 Clomid 50mg ED
 
At 35, you could work with an anti-aging service or an endocrinologist and most likely get prescription gear for your hormone replacement needs.

I don't know if that's a big plus for you, but it's nice to never have to worry about sources, fakes, LE, etc. etc.
 
Thanks guys for the great responces.

I'm estimating my current body fat at around 20%. The only way I currently have of measuring that is by my "body fat analyzer scale" which has those electrode type thingies that measure current in your body when you step on the scale. I don't know how accurate it is, but it did read around 28% last year when I started working out.

I haven't really been concentrating on power-lifting much in my exercise regime because I didn't want to bulk up before toning up and losing some fat. My bench is currently maxed at 225lbs, of which I can do maybe 2 or 3 good reps. For some reason, I haven't felt strong enough to do squats like I used to. I'm currently at about 150lbs for squats, but admittedly I don't do squats as hard as I should. Ahhh ... I remember the days I used to squat 400lbs (back when I thought vomiting post-workout was a "good" thing)! But that was a long-time ago ...

I've been doing more reading on this forum (it's a great one!) and I'm concluding that most people recommend starting out with a single drug. Anavar seems to be the top choice for building muscle and dropping fat concurrently. Is this correct? I like joeschmoe's idea of including arimidex, since gynecomastia is the last thing I need. Go for it?

I'd love to get prescription-grade meds! But I'm wondering how seriously an endocrinologist would view the request of a 35-year old trying to get back into shape. I work in a hospital, so seeing an endocrinologist is easy enough, but I'm not about to advertise that I'm going to be seeking aas! (see? I'm using the lingo now, lol)

So, should I go for Anavar alone? Include Arimidex? Or are there better alternatives?
 
firawesome said:
I'd love to get prescription-grade meds! But I'm wondering how seriously an endocrinologist would view the request of a 35-year old trying to get back into shape. I work in a hospital, so seeing an endocrinologist is easy enough, but I'm not about to advertise that I'm going to be seeking aas! (see? I'm using the lingo now, lol)

So, should I go for Anavar alone? Include Arimidex? Or are there better alternatives?
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Here's what you need to say:

"Doc I don't know what's happened but after I turned about 30 my energy level really dropped off. I'm just not enthusiastic about working-out, playing sports or even having sex right now. I've lost a good 10-20lbs of muscle over the past five years and I'm noticing fat in places I've never seen it before. Also, I just don't sleep as soundly as I used to and I seem a little 'down' more often than I used to."

That should do the trick.
 
I dont like those body analyser scales. I had one tell me I was 8.9% then a week later 23%. It has to do with the amount of water in your body. Those scales measure the fat content of your body by making a calculation based on height, weight, and electrical resistance which can be changed with different water and salt ratios in your body. The best way would be to get hydro statically tested. Next best would be skin fold calipers. With a trained person they can be accurate to within 1-2%.

Personally, I would include at least squats, deadlifts, bent-over bb rows, and bb bench press into your workout routine. They are all compound movement which use more muscle groups. You don't really have to go heavy but I feel it is important to make sure these are all included as they burn more calories than isolation lifts.

I have never used Anavar but i hear that it is good for your goals. However it is very expensive compared to testosterone. I also personally prefer injections because anavar you'l be taking multiple pills throughout the day every day and test is one maybe two injections per week. Primobolan is mild as is anavar but also expensive and there are many counterfits. You shouldn't need arimadex with either.

I truly feel that the best bang for your buck is straight test, either enanthate or sustanon. Low dose AI and lots of cardio and low carb, high protien diet, followed by a solid PCT. Hope that helps and good luck with your training.
 
I wouldn't get to hung up on your weight and loosing body fat at this point but concentrate on building strength an muscle, eat clean but don't restrict calories.... Your body comp will change an u will loose fat without even trying....I'd train like this for awhile and set some short term goals to bring your lifts up.
 
Felix H said:
Am I the only person here who thinks that you should wait before hitting the anabolic steroid train?
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35 years old is really on the bubble. If he were 18, I'd actually agree with you. If he were 45, it would be a no-brainer that he should do it. It really depends on what you expect out of life in terms of your hormones.

P.S. Use your real username next time :)
 
All I can give you is my experience here. I am 37yrs old so I know what its like to work out and be in your mid to late 30's. First you need to get someone to accurately figure your BF% those counters are crap. Second if you are really 20% BF than you need to do some dieting and training before starting a program of AAS. Diet and training are 90% of the game IMO period. Give yourself time to see what is attainable through diet and hardwork and then,if you so decide, proceed to take it to the next level.
 
Thanks again guys. I can see that many people here will be excellent sources of information.

I am not taking the decision to start AAS lightly. I'e been working out for a year, and I'm pretty good with my diet. I've made A LOT of improvement, most of which was evident within 6 months of starting to workout. Although my weight has only dropped 15 pounds or so, my pants size has gone down from 38 to 31. When I'm wearing a T-shirt, a lot of people will come to me asking how long I've been working out. I'm much happier now than I was a year ago.

The problem is I've hit a road-block. I've seen no more improvement in the past 4 months or so. My strength hasn't been going up. Admittedly, I'm not pushing myself to the point of vomiting like I used to do. And I don't have the luxury of being able to spend 3-4 hours per day in the gym like I used to do.

But I do have good control over my diet. So that's a plus.

So I've made the decision to start AAS and see if they will get me over my current hump.
 
firawesome said:
Thanks again guys. I can see that many people here will be excellent sources of information.

I am not taking the decision to start AAS lightly. I'e been working out for a year, and I'm pretty good with my diet. I've made A LOT of improvement, most of which was evident within 6 months of starting to workout. Although my weight has only dropped 15 pounds or so, my pants size has gone down from 38 to 31. When I'm wearing a T-shirt, a lot of people will come to me asking how long I've been working out. I'm much happier now than I was a year ago.

The problem is I've hit a road-block. I've seen no more improvement in the past 4 months or so. My strength hasn't been going up. Admittedly, I'm not pushing myself to the point of vomiting like I used to do. And I don't have the luxury of being able to spend 3-4 hours per day in the gym like I used to do.

But I do have good control over my diet. So that's a plus.

So I've made the decision to start AAS and see if they will get me over my current hump.
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Welcome to Elite, the best way to guage your progerss is to use a tape measure & take before & after pics,the scale will lie to you so stop using it, if i can help assist in any way i'm just a pm away.
Enjoy your stay here.


RADAR
 
mrplunkey said:
Here's what you need to say:

"Doc I don't know what's happened but after I turned about 30 my energy level really dropped off. I'm just not enthusiastic about working-out, playing sports or even having sex right now. I've lost a good 10-20lbs of muscle over the past five years and I'm noticing fat in places I've never seen it before. Also, I just don't sleep as soundly as I used to and I seem a little 'down' more often than I used to."

That should do the trick.
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Great advice - and it's actually all absolutely true (except the having sex part, still love doing it, but not at the same frequency as before :)). I never thought about it, but maybe I actually do need real endocrine help.

I just called for an appointment. Let me put all that health insurance to good use.
 
I personally think wait for the AAS, I know your 35 but you took a 10 year break and have been lifting for just a year. Plus what does your diet look like in detail cause I doubt your really taking advantage of a really good diet, then after you get that in check i would totally rock some test. I don't want to sound like a downer and it's nothing personal thats just my opinion. Good luck with everything whatever route you use bro! Keep us updated and welcome to EF!
 
firawesome said:
Great advice - and it's actually all absolutely true (except the having sex part, still love doing it, but not at the same frequency as before :)). I never thought about it, but maybe I actually do need real endocrine help.

I just called for an appointment. Let me put all that health insurance to good use.
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See if you can get a little GH too. Mixing HGH and testosterone is a wonderful thing. I personally believe it is highly synergistic. For me, 300 mg/week of test and 3-4 iu's GH 5x/week is pure heaven for an almost 42 year old.
 
I would go for the test. its not toxic on your liver like anavar is and test you could run for around 12 weeks and get good results but anavar you shouldnt go more than 6 weeks and I always struggled to keep the gains on the oral only cycles and your body dont get a chance to get used to the gains before you come of unlike test.
 
gstacker said:
I'm not sure but your prolly the only one who's posting not using there real user name :)
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You know you should not assume things like this and treat people like this just because you got a hunch. I checked his ip and he is not a alter and not using a proxy server ether.

Lets be a bit more nice to others here guys. You know how we do it around here. If you like being a jerk we can show you the door.

Not saying you were to out of line here but it deff was not needed. Thanks
 
mrplunkey said:
See if you can get a little GH too. Mixing HGH and testosterone is a wonderful thing. I personally believe it is highly synergistic. For me, 300 mg/week of test and 3-4 iu's GH 5x/week is pure heaven for an almost 42 year old.
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Bro now you are just throwing out not so good advice.

Let me say this. Just because things get a little harder is not a reason to jump right into steroids.
 
firawesome said:
Love the forum! Have been reading nonstop for 4 hours now and gained plenty of information. Thanks guys. But, alas, I'm about to do what I think all newbies do when they come here. But this information really has been difficult to find.

Allow me to introduce myself:

Sex: Male
Age: 35 years old
Height: 5'10"
Current Weight: 195
Current fitness level: Trying to get back into shape after a ten year "period of relaxation". Been lifting weights for about a year. Aerobic exercise up to about 60 minutes three times a week. I've managed to lose 15 pounds by dieting and exercising and have pretty much turned my fitness level a full 180 degrees.

Goal: Basically, look like I did when I was 25. Dropping 15 pounds took me a ginger 7 months, and I've gained much more definition than I've had before. Now, I've been stuck for about 3 or 4 months. No further weight loss. No increased definition. And my abs aren't coming in!

Current diet: 2000-2200 calories a day. Generally 60% proteins. 30-50gms of which are post-workout.

Current supplements: Arginine 500mg before aerobic exercise. Nothing else.

I need advice on going to the next level. Advice with supplements is appreciated, but at my age, I know I'm going to need some hormonal (ie. anabolic steroid) help.

Thanks, and I'm really looking forward to being an active member here.
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I think before you just give up and say omg I know I am doing everything right and I can not gain or reach goals unless i take aas now.

I think you should learn more. I think right now your mind set is showing me that you don't want to learn more about training and diet and are not willing to see if you can reach the next level in your fitness with out it.

Bro what if you can go the next level with out the aas? then the next level after that can be a even bigger goal and use aas for that.

I just do not want to see you get some aas advice and then take off for the highway bro. I know for a fact this site has a lot more to offer you. I know for a fact you can learn so much more then having some one throw a cycle at you and then you hit the ground running with it.


I think you can make some friends here,learn from all of us and all the forums and get so much more out of this site. Hang out with us and make some great life changes. Make some huge improvements in your level of fitness and your working knowledge of everything just just one cycle and peace out.

I think that is what A lot of people have been trying to get across in this thread well other are just throwing a cycle at you and sending you on your way...

I want to,this forum wants to,good members here want to go the extra mile with you man. We want to get to know you, make friends,learn and grow with you for years to come.

People who care and have a heart to help you want to make the effort to do much more for you then post a cycle,hey throw in some hgh to and not even know who the hell you are before they do it.

Ya Even I am guilty of doing this a lot of times. Just get the quick advice out there you are looking for. For the vets it gets to be like a computer just spitting out the same cycles over and over.

We all get out there and try to take some good time to get to know you and do much more then spit that generated cycle advice though... SO with all that being said my friend

Plea please can we get to know you a little more. I gave you a plat membership so you can post a lot faster and search the site more.

post up your training from monday to tusday. Post up a full days diet. exactly what you eat from son up to son down yesterday would help out.


Bit Aside from all that man welcome to the site. As you know (you sent me a pm) I am needtogetaas/needto/need2/hulk/ what ever the heck you feel comfortable calling me.

With a great team of mod/mentors/and vets I run all the training and fitness forums here on ef. I start right out from post/pm one as a friend. Heart on my sleeve kind of guy and I will treat you like I been your friend since birth from the moment we meat. Its how I treat everyone on this site.


Bro you have come and made a thread on the best damn life changing forum on the internet (at least that is what I feel and so do others)... Pm all the guys here and make some friends like you have with me.

looking forward to seeing more of you bro. Have a good night. :biggrin:
 
needtogetaas said:
You know you should not assume things like this and treat people like this just because you got a hunch. I checked his ip and he is not a alter and not using a proxy server ether.

Lets be a bit more nice to others here guys. You know how we do it around here. If you like being a jerk we can show you the door.

Not saying you were to out of line here but it deff was not needed. Thanks
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ya i dont want to be known as the jerk around here i apoligise to anyone who was offended and the poster of that comment...i did asume being the first post it was neg...even if it was its not my business....sory needto
 
gstacker said:
im sory bro, thats your opinion and you have jus as much right as anyone here to post...:coffee:
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I would have thought he was a alter too lol..but the account checks out and its not.


Man what a long day I had. Just about to go to bed now. Well after I wake the wife up for a couple of mins lol...
 
theres so much info on this site that it can make you really excited to dive into new things, but proper training and supplementation is serious business.. so please make sure you cover all your bases before you take the next step. dont leave any stones unturned, keep exploring the site, its a great resource and community.
 
Wow! I'm impressed! Everyone here sounds like they are really into fitness, the right kind of fitness. I'm going to love being a part of this team.

I'm taking everyone's advice in dosages. Yesterday, I made an appointment with an endocrinologist for October 27th. That way, I can get a baseline of my testosterone levels and make sure everything checks out. If it does, then (like HULK said) I will just have to push myself harder. If I need HRT, then so be it - some people age faster than others.

Also, I signed on with FitDay yeserday. Calorie counting done right.

Next step - start a thread of my fitness/diet progress and use you guys as inspiration. I'm holding you to it. I have a "before" picture taken last year, and a "during" picture taken a couple of months ago.

Thanks everyone!
 
firawesome said:
Wow! I'm impressed! Everyone here sounds like they are really into fitness, the right kind of fitness. I'm going to love being a part of this team.

I'm taking everyone's advice in dosages. Yesterday, I made an appointment with an endocrinologist for October 27th. That way, I can get a baseline of my testosterone levels and make sure everything checks out. If it does, then (like HULK said) I will just have to push myself harder. If I need HRT, then so be it - some people age faster than others.

Also, I signed on with FitDay yeserday. Calorie counting done right.

Next step - start a thread of my fitness/diet progress and use you guys as inspiration. I'm holding you to it. I have a "before" picture taken last year, and a "during" picture taken a couple of months ago.

Thanks everyone!
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This is Tight! This is the first step into taking it to the next level! Now that you're writing it all down its not some whimisical fantasy, it's going to be etched in stone. It helped me out a ton to write my goals down...I didn't ever think I could acheive my goals cause they were more like dreams....but wouldn't you know 3 months later with some excellent Diet and training advice from all the good bros, I've acheived basically all the goals that I wrote down! This site and the guys on here, no BS, have changed my life. I got a new set of goals written down, and I'm on the path to acheiving them.....well....except the one about banging Marissa Miller....that's going to be tough.
 
firawesome said:
Wow! I'm impressed! Everyone here sounds like they are really into fitness, the right kind of fitness. I'm going to love being a part of this team.

I'm taking everyone's advice in dosages. Yesterday, I made an appointment with an endocrinologist for October 27th. That way, I can get a baseline of my testosterone levels and make sure everything checks out. If it does, then (like HULK said) I will just have to push myself harder. If I need HRT, then so be it - some people age faster than others.
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Good for you! Being under a physician's care is typically more expensive, but there are plenty of upsides to go along with it too. It's great being able to just call the office if you have questions or need anything. I remember once when my test crashed-out on me. They had a fresh bottle in my hands within 24 hours!
 
firawesome said:
Wow! I'm impressed! Everyone here sounds like they are really into fitness, the right kind of fitness. I'm going to love being a part of this team.

I'm taking everyone's advice in dosages. Yesterday, I made an appointment with an endocrinologist for October 27th. That way, I can get a baseline of my testosterone levels and make sure everything checks out. If it does, then (like HULK said) I will just have to push myself harder. If I need HRT, then so be it - some people age faster than others.

Also, I signed on with FitDay yeserday. Calorie counting done right.

Next step - start a thread of my fitness/diet progress and use you guys as inspiration. I'm holding you to it. I have a "before" picture taken last year, and a "during" picture taken a couple of months ago.

Thanks everyone!
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There you go,taking the first step is the first thing to do,i'll be 58 in Dec and i'm pushing more weight than ever and i'm not even on HRT.
We are here to help you in achieveing your goals as needto said.

RADAR
 
How do you start? By reading up on steroids for at least a year. Learn what does what. Learn the potential side-effects and harms of everything you intend to use.

Learn about:

Cycles
Ancillaries
PCT
Gynecomastia
HPTA
HCG
Aromatase inhibiters
Anti-estrogens
Anti-progesterone

If you don't understand any one of these concepts fully, you aren't ready..... There's plenty of good essays/threads stickied at the top of this discussion forum. You need to read everything stickied.

There's no sense in repeating this remedial stuff that get's asked every 5 minutes. Just read up on it.

Get your training perfected and your diet as well for optimal muscle growth.


If you don't do your research you could wind up with highly aggravated acne, a horrible case of manboobs, and permanent loss of natural testosterone and sexual function. Or worse yet; stroke, heart attacks, and kidney/liver failure....

You MUST know what you're doing/taking while on the juice. You must know how to control the sides or it will be a disaster.
 
Hello again my new-found friends;

Here's an update on my blood tests.
Total testosterone = 609 ng/dL (normal is 400-1080)
Free testosterone = 102 pg/mL (normal is 47-244)
DHEA = 272ng/dL (normal 160-800)

Free T3 = 3.57 pg/mL (normal 2.47-4.43)

Vitamin D = 26 ng/mL (normal 30-80)

With those results, my doctor refused to prescribe any HRT. But he did say that increasing vitamin D and calcium in my diet would help increse stamina.

In the meantime, I've continued to workout and my strength has gone up quite well. Without any AAS I managed to gain about 5 lbs in the past two months, but my clothes have been getting looser - which to me means that I've gained more muscle and lost some fat.

I haven't yet had my BF professionally tested.

My next step - after reading some good stuff here is for me to start a cutting cycle.

This is my idea and please critique with some suggestions:
Week 1 - 2 : Clen + T3 + Taurine + monsterdrol
Week 3 - 4 : T3 + Taurine + monsterdrol
Week 5 - 6 : TCA + Clen + Taurine + monsterdrol
Week 7 - 8 : T3 + Taurine + monsterdrol
Week 9 - 10: Clen + T3 + Taurine + monsterdrol

T3 starts at 25 and increases by 25 every 4 days to max of 100, then taper down.

Clen starts at 20 and increases by 20 every 3 days to max of 60, then taper down.

It may look complicated, but it's a combination of a LOT of research. T3 in 4 week cycles (gradual up then down) with a 2 week rest period in between. Clen in 2 week on-2 week off cycles (also gradual up and down). And an oral nonaromatising androgen to maintain lean mass.

Do I have all bases covered? Any suggestions? Do I need an AI? Do I need a PCT?

Thanks all.
 
firawesome said:
Hello again my new-found friends;

Here's an update on my blood tests.
Total testosterone = 609 ng/dL (normal is 400-1080)
Free testosterone = 102 pg/mL (normal is 47-244)
DHEA = 272ng/dL (normal 160-800)

Free T3 = 3.57 pg/mL (normal 2.47-4.43)

Vitamin D = 26 ng/mL (normal 30-80)

With those results, my doctor refused to prescribe any HRT. But he did say that increasing vitamin D and calcium in my diet would help increse stamina.

In the meantime, I've continued to workout and my strength has gone up quite well. Without any AAS I managed to gain about 5 lbs in the past two months, but my clothes have been getting looser - which to me means that I've gained more muscle and lost some fat.

I haven't yet had my BF professionally tested.

My next step - after reading some good stuff here is for me to start a cutting cycle.

This is my idea and please critique with some suggestions:
Week 1 - 2 : Clen + T3 + Taurine + monsterdrol
Week 3 - 4 : T3 + Taurine + monsterdrol
Week 5 - 6 : TCA + Clen + Taurine + monsterdrol
Week 7 - 8 : T3 + Taurine + monsterdrol
Week 9 - 10: Clen + T3 + Taurine + monsterdrol

T3 starts at 25 and increases by 25 every 4 days to max of 100, then taper down.

Clen starts at 20 and increases by 20 every 3 days to max of 60, then taper down.

It may look complicated, but it's a combination of a LOT of research. T3 in 4 week cycles (gradual up then down) with a 2 week rest period in between. Clen in 2 week on-2 week off cycles (also gradual up and down). And an oral nonaromatising androgen to maintain lean mass.

Do I have all bases covered? Any suggestions? Do I need an AI? Do I need a PCT?

Thanks all.
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you don't need drugs to loose BF,what you need is a clean diet and morning cardio on an empty stomach after a 12 hr fast from your last meal ,the body will have no choice but to dip into those fat stores for energy,this will do a hatchet job on bodyfat.

Need a boost ?then AGX sports (needtobuildmuscle) has lipostim or before cardio take 2-3 goody powders.

RADAR
 
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