Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I used straight testosterone several years back for a month at at a time and would get off with no side effects,no pct and I recovered fine.Now I've been on an antidepressant for a couple of years and did a three month cycle of deca and primo,mostly primo.There was a major depression that followed while my testosterone was real low.Now I'm much better but my test. is still low,a little over half what it was prior to the cycle(1028/636).A friend of mine who was also taking an antidepressant and the same regimen as I was but mostly deca also experienced the same major depression.I'm now taking hcg and clomid three months post cycle.There must be something going on here or is it normal for any long cycle to get this depression.I know the test. affects serotonin levels and I can tell the difference coming on and off the clomid.Anyway if anyone has any info. on this it would sure resolve some issues with me.
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athlete.03
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Depression is not an uncommon side effect of AAS use. The jury's still out on the exact mechanism but it looks like there's probably more than one. One sure fire way to get depressed is to mess with your HPTA to the point that you have low serum testosterone levels. Low test levels equal depression. Get it treated. I'd see an endocrinologist who specializes in this sort of thing stat.
The pharmaceutical company is the one who thinks you need anti-depressants. Not your doctor. Why don't you do the research for yourself, instead of letting a cartel pump you full of medicine you don't need.
If you were really depressed, you wouldn't even get off the couch to go to the gym.
If you were really depressed, you wouldn't even get off the couch to go to the gym.
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nutsnack
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Chiro said:
WOW you are an idiot.. there are different levels are depression.. a depressed person will not just sit on their couch and stare at the ceiling 24/7 and eventually get better by themselves. Medication DOES help its not a government conspiracy, sorry to burst your bubble..
shamrock11
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nutsnack said:
I agree with you that medication help, but medications are not needed in every person that has depression. No one every takes the time to find out why the person is depressed they just see that they are depressed and give them a drug. They are different levels and the only ones that really need it is the ones with sever depression. Just my opinion though. You said you never did pct that may be your problem. You do pct for a number of reasons one being to get your normal hormone balance back and when you don't get the normal balance back you will get depressed. This is probably your problem.
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shamrock11 said:
IF your depression is from the low test levels you should see a specialized doc asap.. depression isn't something you want lingering over your head.. I've seen shots of test do wonders on people's mental states due to the fact they had low test lvls to begin with but if thats not your problem then you need to go about it another way but for sure go see an endo doc and get tests done
shamrock11
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nutsnack said:
Well, with him not doing pct test is not the only problem. Elevated estrogen levels will also cause stress.
CNovaJason
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I'm worried about it also. I do not, nor have I ever been depressed. I just have anxiety with a move out of state coming and a new job, and a new relationship beginning. I was started on Effexor and Xanax and all I'm running now is Winny (2 and 1/2) weeks left and I'm done with any type of hormone enhancement drug for good.
triplesixmaf
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Boston Strangler
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Gear pumps your ego up, so it is only natural that you go through a spurt of depression when coming off
Zyglamail said:
I agree.
Tyson was on Prozac when he started his comeback and his aggressiveness waned......he wasn't the same fighter attitude wise.
Anti-depressants rob you of your natural cognizant ability to deal with things, and just treats the problem rather than the symptom. It's like being a drug addict, only your brain is the addict, to the seratonin.
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i dont like to mess with stuff like prozac or any of those.. some other things to try are " 5 HTP " - converts into seritonin or things with Kava Kava plant like "happy camper" . -- both of which o.t.c. as for the other recovery.. i must take this time to speak highly of the TZ3 stack which im sure you already know of.. but just to remind you it not only has the zma in it but the tribulus terrestris and the " 4-etioallocholen 3,6,17 trione (inhibits estregen) -- good luck
Bigblackdog
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Sounds like there's a lot of advice here about depression from people who know jack-shit about it and have never suffered from it.
I agree that coming off the juice brings on depression, but that passes.
I have suffered from depression most of my adult life.
I have a relatively stress-free, high-paying job, a beautiful wife, a gorgeous 13 month old boy, a fantastic home and no money problems or personal problems to speak of.
My depression is caused by a chemical imbalance & Prozac fixes it.
A chemical imbalance - end of story.
I agree that medication may not be needed in every case, and that sometimes prescribing anti-depressants is an easy quick-fix, but this is not the case with everybody.
Just for the record, I love being on the juice. It motivates me to train harder, eat better, lead a healthier lifestyle and sends my self-image through the roof. When I come off my cycle, I'll reduce the AS dosages, begin PCT and adjust my training accordingly. Any depression from 'juice-withdrawl' passes quickly and it's back to business as usual.
I've found this forum to be an invaluable place for gaining advice, but I guess not everyone engages their brain before setting their mouth in motion.
I'll get off my soapbox now...
Peace out.
I agree that coming off the juice brings on depression, but that passes.
I have suffered from depression most of my adult life.
I have a relatively stress-free, high-paying job, a beautiful wife, a gorgeous 13 month old boy, a fantastic home and no money problems or personal problems to speak of.
My depression is caused by a chemical imbalance & Prozac fixes it.
A chemical imbalance - end of story.
I agree that medication may not be needed in every case, and that sometimes prescribing anti-depressants is an easy quick-fix, but this is not the case with everybody.
Just for the record, I love being on the juice. It motivates me to train harder, eat better, lead a healthier lifestyle and sends my self-image through the roof. When I come off my cycle, I'll reduce the AS dosages, begin PCT and adjust my training accordingly. Any depression from 'juice-withdrawl' passes quickly and it's back to business as usual.
I've found this forum to be an invaluable place for gaining advice, but I guess not everyone engages their brain before setting their mouth in motion.
I'll get off my soapbox now...
Peace out.
Don't give advice without knowledge and just based on your 'opinion'.shamrock11 said:
There is a specific diagnostic criterion for Major Depression based on DSM-IV.
Depression is caused by imbalance of neuro-transmitters in brain.
Any precipitating event only unmasks it.
Medicines correct that imbalance.
It can also be treated by long term psychotherapy.
digimon7068
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A little off-subject but, a couple of years ago I had a bad reaction to scopalamine (med in sea-sick patch) that left me with many of the symptoms of depression (lethargic, couldn't eat, couldn't sleep, couldn't pay attention. . .). Anway, after a few days I went to the doc and he put me on Paxil for a few weeks. After I was taking it for a couple of days, in addition to feeling better, I noticed an interesting side-effect. . .I could screw for like an hour if I wanted to. . .complete control. I went back to the doc and told him about the experience and he gave me a box of samples and told me to have a good time. Great stuff.
trinidad
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Bigblackdog said:
I agree completely....I also suffered from chemical imbalance about 10 yrs. ago and can say it was the most frightening time of my life. You think you're going crazy for no reason and can't understand what is happening to you. Depression has MANY different levels and treatments. For me it was zoloft and I have to take it everyday. I've tried many times going without it but came to realize I can't. I thought it would take several weeks to feel a change if I didn't take it so I didn't care if I went a few days without refilling my script but soon found out that by the end of the 3rd day it was a rapid downward spiral. There was only one time post cycle that I felt depressed and I believe it was the clomid. The cycle was deca/test which I have ran several times but that was the only time I used clomid post and will never use it again. I'll stick to HCG/Nolva. If you've been through clinically diagnosed depression/anxiety put in your 2 cents, if not, don't assume because you have no idea how it feels until you've experience it.
I LOVE being on the juice too and will continue to do so because it doesn't affect me negatively but that doesn't mean it won't mess with someone else. It's a judgement call.
I'm about to start my second cycle with DecaDura200mg/Sust250/Clomid350 per week for 8.
My first cycle was in 1989 one generic oral was all I did then.
Now I'm 40 yrs. old and have type 2 diabetes (take Metformin only) and take Paxil for depression.
I'm worried about PCT and wonder whether I'm taking enough DecaDura & Sust.
Should I switch Clomid to Nolvadex? Should I change the Sust to Test to feel better?
Any help, and reference links would be kindly appreciated.
YIS
My first cycle was in 1989 one generic oral was all I did then.
Now I'm 40 yrs. old and have type 2 diabetes (take Metformin only) and take Paxil for depression.
I'm worried about PCT and wonder whether I'm taking enough DecaDura & Sust.
Should I switch Clomid to Nolvadex? Should I change the Sust to Test to feel better?
Any help, and reference links would be kindly appreciated.
YIS
