Steroid era in baseball, the aftermath is shocking

[timtim]

its obvious most players were on but this year has been terrible. weeks away from the all star game and not 1 20 homer hitter yet. pretty sad.

which players careers were made by the juice and will fade away without?

im thinking justin mornea (sp?)

 

[calveless wonder]

i was about to make this thread....

but i was gonna really bring up the older players.

this shit has ruined baseball. some teams were affected more than others depending on their personnel

 

[puddlemonkey]

I say let them juice. Who the fuck doesn't like the long ball?

 

[timtim]

it really seems like the last 15 or so years have been bullshit. average players hitting 30 to 40 homeruns. good players hitting 50. the rbis and everything, all fake.

kinda sucks but this is what the mlb is now. much different game. small ball is back.

 

[canadianhitman]

kinda sucks but this is what the mlb is now. much different game. small ball is back.

I don't watch it anymore...too boring.

 

[bw1]

I say let them juice. Who the fuck doesn't like the long ball?

+1...

 

[timtim]

I don't watch it anymore...too boring.

your not the first person to say that. i find it odd. i knew it was coming but i was not ready for this. its like the entire league disappeared. i wonder if there will be a 50 homerun hitter this year. maybe a-rod but he missed awhile with injuries. without the injuries he was the best chance. besides howard and a small group of others.

 

[needtogetarmy]

They need to use Muscletech stuff. 10% strength increase and mTOR shit pouring out of your veins.

 

[dabuffguy]

it really seems like the last 15 or so years have been bullshit. average players hitting 30 to 40 homeruns. good players hitting 50. the rbis and everything, all fake.

kinda sucks but this is what the mlb is now. much different game. small ball is back.

yup. The pitchers still throw 95 though. Pitchers throw that hard becaue they have the gift. Steroids doesn't give you that ability. But the batters are smaller and not as strong, and not hitting as many homeruns.

 

[SouthernLord]

I say let them juice. Who the fuck doesn't like the long dong?

I concur

 

[SouthernLord]

I lost interest after the strike. I will usually watch the playoffs and the series, but regular season = teh boring. Now college baseball is another story. Did anyone watch FSU fall apart or Georgia upset Miami. I am a Gator, but I always pull for the SEC.

 

[chewyxrage]

yup. The pitchers still throw 95 though. Pitchers throw that hard becaue they have the gift. Steroids doesn't give you that ability. But the batters are smaller and not as strong, and not hitting as many homeruns.

That's very true! But you do see some small guys dropping bombs. You can't tell me that if a somewhat genetically gifted guy lifted some damn weights and got swole that he couldn't drop bombs as much as some tool who was on steroids.

I don't really get it.

Hitting a pitch takes skill. Get swole and you should be able to drop it, steroids or not.

 

[Powerbuilder333]

I'm pro choice - for ALL drugs.

 

[Tatyana]

I'm pro choice - for ALL drugs.

+1

There are far fewer problems with drug abuse, crime, addiction when drugs are legal or decriminalised.

Even heroin (which has been studied the most in this regard).

 

[timtim]

its just amazing now seeing how the league is performing that its 100% evident that everything dealing with offensive production over the last near 15 years has been the juice.

 

[nefertiti]

+1

There are far fewer problems with drug abuse, crime, addiction when drugs are legal or decriminalised.

Even heroin (which has been studied the most in this regard).

Legalizing drugs and allowing their use in sports are two different animals with two different sets of problems.

 

[nimbus]

every team should get one player who's allowed to juice his fucking face off, so every game you are guaranteed 2 roidhead freakmonsters who hit jacks into the audience all night long from the cleanup position.

And if he gets walked.. instead of walking to first base, he gets to charge the mound

 

[dabuffguy]

I say let them juice. Who the fuck doesn't like the long ball?

Hiya Buddy!

 

[calveless wonder]

yup. The pitchers still throw 95 though. Pitchers throw that hard becaue they have the gift. Steroids doesn't give you that ability. But the batters are smaller and not as strong, and not hitting as many homeruns.

yes but for how long?

These players break down alot sooner and get injured alot more often.

they still can't test for HGH, but we know that alone isn't gonna be of huge benefit.

bottom line is steroids can't make you hit or be great at baseball. these guys already have talent, it just gives them that extra bit

 

[puddlemonkey]

Hiya Buddy!

There you are! I've been worried sick!

 

[digimon7068]

how 'bout gagne and zito?? can you say heroes to zeroes??

 

[calveless wonder]

how 'bout gagne and zito?? can you say heroes to zeroes??

gagne was a definite juicer. its why he was able to throw so hard but the minute he got injured he was fucked.

I don't think zito juiced. he had a couple of good years and thats it.
he should have never gotten that contrac to begin with

 

[digimon7068]

gagne was a definite juicer. its why he was able to throw so hard but the minute he got injured he was fucked.

I don't think zito juiced. he had a couple of good years and thats it.
he should have never gotten that contrac to begin with

personally?? i don't really have a problem with it. . .it's friggin' entertainment. . .if pro athletes are using pharms properly (i.e., under a doctor's supervision) what's the big deal?? it's the natural progression of things. i mean, the fda says it's ok to give cattle (and other food animals) j00se when they're on the feedlot to bulk them up for market, why the fuck can't an offensive lineman use science to keep his hard-earned muscle during the season and recover after the season is over?? it's friggin' bullshit. . .

 

[calveless wonder]

personally?? i don't really have a problem with it. . .it's friggin' entertainment. . .if pro athletes are using pharms properly (i.e., under a doctor's supervision) what's the big deal?? it's the natural progression of things. i mean, the fda says it's ok to give cattle (and other food animals) j00se when they're on the feedlot to bulk them up for market, why the fuck can't an offensive lineman use science to keep his hard-earned muscle during the season and recover after the season is over?? it's friggin' bullshit. . .

agree 100%

and if i were a white or hispanic guy in pro sports, i'd def juice 1000% just to keep up with the genetic freak blacks

f'in bullshit.

thankfully NFL testing is pretty much a joke. they havent gotten alot of heat for it because it's been in place for so long. baseball didnt have it at all and thats why they got fucked

you dont hear about steroids and hockey either, but i guarantee you those crazy fucks take shit

 

[timtim]

agree 100%

and if i were a white or hispanic guy in pro sports, i'd def juice 1000% just to keep up with the genetic freak blacks

f'in bullshit.

thankfully NFL testing is pretty much a joke. they havent gotten alot of heat for it because it's been in place for so long. baseball didnt have it at all and thats why they got fucked

you dont hear about steroids and hockey either, but i guarantee you those crazy fucks take shit

nhl the juice is minimal at best. at the pro level strength is not a key. its leverage, angles, body position, and finesse. gear would do nothing to aide these necessary skills.

 

[dabuffguy]

nhl the juice is minimal at best. at the pro level strength is not a key. its leverage, angles, body position, and finesse. gear would do nothing to aide these necessary skills.

A good portion of hockey players juice. end of story.

 

[Powerbuilder333]

nhl the juice is minimal at best. at the pro level strength is not a key. its leverage, angles, body position, and finesse. gear would do nothing to aide these necessary skills.

Gear helps you recover from physical abuse, so it's useful in most physical activities.

 

[EnderJE]

and if i were a white or hispanic guy in pro sports, i'd def juice 1000% just to keep up with the genetic freak blacks

Given that I'm Asian, I have to resort to building androids with funky hairstyles.

 

[timtim]

A good portion of hockey players juice. end of story.

i worked with quite a few nhl team trainers in my last job. a few who i played for. they had a different outlook.

 

[calveless wonder]

i worked with quite a few nhl team trainers in my last job. a few who i played for. they had a different outlook.

so you're telling me steroids won't help with skating speed, a slap shot, recovery or the ability to check?

wherever there's a chance to gain an advantage performance enhancing substances will be used.

i remember hearing awhile back that soccer actually has the most rampant performance enhancing drug problem

the only sport i know of thats not really involved heavily is basketball but some of those guys do HGH. Rodman used HGH for years

 

[dabuffguy]

i worked with quite a few nhl team trainers in my last job. a few who i played for. they had a different outlook.

It's called keeping your head down. Nobody is going to admit to it. I played professional baseball for 2 years, I know what goes on pro sports, and juicing is just part of the deal for most.

 

[canadianhitman]

A good portion of hockey players juice. end of story.

Bullshit. Of the major sports, NHL guaranteed has the smallest percentage of juicers...pretty much limited to fourth-line goons.

The skilled players in the NHL have always participated in annual international play in the Olympics, World Cup (formerly Canada Cup), and World Championships...so they've been subject to testing long before the NHL put in a testing policy of its own.

 

[dabuffguy]

Bullshit. Of the major sports, NHL guaranteed has the smallest percentage of juicers...pretty much limited to fourth-line goons.

The skilled players in the NHL have always participated in annual international play in the Olympics, World Cup (formerly Canada Cup), and World Championships...so they've been subject to testing long before the NHL put in a testing policy of its own.

Did I say the majority? I said a good portion. which is subjective, but more juice than you think. They don't use bulking drugs, they use strength drugs. They don't want to get huge. They want to get strong and aggressive.

 

[heatherrae]

I say let them juice. Who the fuck doesn't like the long ball?

I don't like long balls...


wait...


what are we talking about?

 

[needtogetarmy]

+1

There are far fewer problems with drug abuse, crime, addiction when drugs are legal or decriminalised.

Even heroin (which has been studied the most in this regard).

I disagree in regard to hard narcotics.

Opium almost destroyed the Chinese in the 1800's.

Even the Dutch have recognize legalization of drugs has cause more harm than it has helped.

One can get addicted to heroin after one dose. I cannot fathom why anyone would want such a substance out int he open for anyone to try even once.

 

[Tatyana]

I disagree in regard to hard narcotics.

Opium almost destroyed the Chinese in the 1800's.

Even the Dutch have recognize legalization of drugs has cause more harm than it has helped.

One can get addicted to heroin after one dose. I cannot fathom why anyone would want such a substance out int he open for anyone to try even once.

If a person is already addicted to heroin, then medically supervised use of heroin works far better than methadone to have people deal with the addiction and to even get off the drug.

Do you have any info on the Dutch?

Drugs are not really legal there, they are decriminalised, and I think it is only grass.

They do have an issue with a lot of heroin junkies, they are annoying, I lived there for three years in Centrum, and junkies on my doorstep was quite typical.

 

[dabuffguy]

If a person is already addicted to heroin, then medically supervised use of heroin works far better than methadone to have people deal with the addiction and to even get off the drug.

Do you have any info on the Dutch?

Drugs are not really legal there, they are decriminalised, and I think it is only grass.

They do have an issue with a lot of heroin junkies, they are annoying, I lived there for three years in Centrum, and junkies on my doorstep was quite typical.

Shit, in Amsterdam you got 8 year old kids walking around drinking beer and smoking hash. Legalization and decrimnalization of drugs is a HORRIBLE idea.

 

[ortiz34]

If a person is already addicted to heroin, then medically supervised use of heroin works far better than methadone to have people deal with the addiction and to even get off the drug.

Do you have any info on the Dutch?

Drugs are not really legal there, they are decriminalised, and I think it is only grass.

They do have an issue with a lot of heroin junkies, they are annoying, I lived there for three years in Centrum, and junkies on my doorstep was quite typical.

Methadone is hell trying to get off
that shiat gets into your fat cells and bones
withdrawal symptoms lasts weeks
You can kick the physical addiction to dope in the matter of a few days (depending on your habit)
it's the lifestyle that is a bitch to kick

I'll sniff dope every now and then, never inject.
I tend to stay away though due to inconsistant quality
haven't touched it since last Sept

 

[timtim]

Bullshit. Of the major sports, NHL guaranteed has the smallest percentage of juicers...pretty much limited to fourth-line goons.

The skilled players in the NHL have always participated in annual international play in the Olympics, World Cup (formerly Canada Cup), and World Championships...so they've been subject to testing long before the NHL put in a testing policy of its own.

this was my point. ive been around alot of ice hockey for many many years and aas, even at the higher levels, just wasnt present. its not going to effect their play like people think as in other sports. also, look at the relative size of these guys. 5'10" to 6'4" 175 to 225. they are not big and bulky. its above leverage, angles, and body position. brute strength has little to do with helping you beat out a finesse player.

dabuffguy:
It's called keeping your head down. Nobody is going to admit to it. I played professional baseball for 2 years, I know what goes on pro sports, and juicing is just part of the deal for most.

one of my coaches was a gear user and competed in bbing. he was also a pro trainer for multiple teams through his career. why would he admit to use and then say the players dont? from his mouth, it wouldnt help them beat the speed and ability of good players. im sure there is use in the nhl, but very, very little.

 

[SouthernLord]

Why don;t they just outlaw baseball? That would cut down on steroid use in the MLB. Or better yet, make steroid use mandatory in all professional sports. Level the playing field.