staying on steroids for joints

[pov]

Hey bros, need some advice, about 7 of 12 weeks into a test cycle, my knees are in pretty bad shape, it the cartilage area and sometimes a get a horrible sharp pain. ive not done legs in 2 months, docters just give me pain killers which i refuse to have!

Can i take a 200mg deca OR 400mg equipoise only cycle soon as i do a pct?

Ive read tha both are good for joints, deca hasnt ever shut me down so just need advice.

im taking glucosamine and cod liver oil already.

thanks bros.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I find it hard to believe that deca doesnt shut you down. Taking it as soon as pct starts or is over will nulify your pct. Why would you do that? If your knees are that bad then you may have 1 or 2 torn meniscus. Why dont you go get an MRI done so you can see if there is a serious problem.

 

[Stryker1992]

I find it hard to believe that deca doesnt shut you down. Taking it as soon as pct starts or is over will nulify your pct. Why would you do that? If your knees are that bad then you may have 1 or 2 torn meniscus. Why dont you go get an MRI done so you can see if there is a serious problem.

Ya bro, exactly...why not have the doc treat the problem? I have hip impingement and have to get cortisone shots but surgery eventually.

 

[79steeler]

"Staying on steroids for joints"

Thats a good one!!

 

[pov]

hey bros, well i just read that deca and equipoise, both heal the joints gradually. what i ment was after pct wait 2 months instead of 4 and then do a cycle agian but on low doses?

or maybe continue and stretch my current cycle?

Ive read on people staying on a low dose test for about 6 months or longer.

my docter doesnt give me nothing but pain killers thats why u asked you pros.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

they dont Heal joints. They lubricate them. Flood your joints with sinovial fluid. Increase collagen synthesis. You will go back to your previous problem after discontinuing them. Get it?
The drugs wont fix your problem. Go get an MRI. There thats twice I have told you the correct thing to do. But what do I know, after two torn medial meniscus, torn acl, multiple MRI's knee surgery ect.

 

[needtogetaas]

they dont Heal joints. They lubricate them. Flood your joints with sinovial fluid. Increase collagen synthesis. You will go back to your previous problem after discontinuing them. Get it?
The drugs wont fix your problem. Go get an MRI. There thats twice I have told you the correct thing to do. But what do I know, after two torn medial meniscus, torn acl, multiple MRI's knee surgery ect.

No deca will not health them. It will (well you are on it) make them feel better but if there is a problem you should get it fixed. If the doctor will not get you xrays and things you need see a chiro they will do it on the spot most of the time.

 

[zedhed]

Hey burn, you say that the Deca/Equi will "Increase collagen synthesis" but that they wont heal the joints. Isnt increasing the collagen synthesis actually healing in a way? Am asking because of my own interest in this NOT TO BE A SHITHEAD.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

i use deca for tendons not joints per say. many say deca doesnt help tendons. well...it makes my elbows feel better so what does that mean? but when i stop it goes back to aching more after workouts. If collagen synthesis were going to "help" heal something I would think it would be more apt to be a tendon than a cartilage. But I am basing that on opinion not any sort of science.
If its something your interested in then run deca. Deca is great. If you dont want to run an assload for mass then just run 150-200mg per week and see how it works for you. I never plan on doing another cycle without at least an HRT dose of deca in there.

 

[OMEGA]

I have not read any replys but will tell you what you may want to do:

~YES add deca on cycle at a mere 200 mgs a week

~ Use AI's ONLY when needed as they will kill joints if you surpress E too much

~ Warm up a good 10 minutes with bike and light stretching before workouts

~ Train NEVER below 7 reps preferably between 15-10 reps for multipel sets on all lifts

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I have not read any replys but will tell you what you may want to do:

~YES add deca on cycle at a mere 200 mgs a week

~ Use AI's ONLY when needed as they will kill joints if you surpress E too much

~ Warm up a good 10 minutes with bike and light stretching before workouts

~ Train NEVER below 7 reps preferably between 15-10 reps for multipel sets on all lifts

If he isnt willing to do the correct thing and get a proper medical diagnosis that might "fix" the problem, then yes.....the above is the best advice to follow.
Omega knows his shit.

 

[pov]

cheers guys i guess my docs a big ......, ill get another doc to check it, ill use between 150-200deca while on cycle to help. thanks a bunch

 

[Powerlifting57]

go see a chiro.... an MD will look down on you for steroid use and may say that was the cause of it!

 

[zedhed]

All Right Burn and Omega, thanks for your replies. I know my condition as I have dealt with it for most of my life. Dr's have simply told me to quit lifting weights, not gonna happen. So I have been wondering about THERAPUTIC doses of Deca of Equi. More education is always better. Am also considering HGH.

 

[pov]

All Right Burn and Omega, thanks for your replies. I know my condition as I have dealt with it for most of my life. Dr's have simply told me to quit lifting weights, not gonna happen. So I have been wondering about THERAPUTIC doses of Deca of Equi. More education is always better. Am also considering HGH.

any problems i have im also told to quit gym. my docs are useless.

 

[-SD-]

ive had 3 rotator cuff surgeries, some things i can do, some things i cant. I will never be a powerlifter but thats ok, i can still workout and make gains and take gear etc. just gotta adapt and work with what you have

 

[zedhed]

There you go, yep in full agreement SD. For me its knees. Have had pain and chondromalacia since Jr High school. Been to countless Dr's over the years and knees have kept me from doing a lot of things that I would have rather done.
So in this case it is what it is and I deal with it. I agree see a Dr, but there are times when there is no "proper or accepted" way to repair or fix what the issue is. Hell guys, since my 20s I have been a candidate for knee replacements on both sides, yeah thats gonna happen.
A lot to be learned here and thanks to all.

 

[JLA]

"Staying on steroids for joints"

Thats a good one!!

LOL!

It's weird since even though Deca makes your joints feel great, it isn't much for more "permanent" healing. It has some properties that make it like an anti-inflamatory (like prednisone, but not really).

From what I know, GH is one of the best things for long-term joint health, but you actually tend to have more pain in your joints while taking it. I think for LT joint health, you'll want to take into account 3 or 4 main things.

1) If on test or most other AAS, make sure to use something to counter the negative effect on collegen synthesis. If you're on test and get stronger - it's a double whammy. EQ will help and Deca is supposed to as well in increasing collegen synthesis. You need constant synthesis since it is constantly being broken down. You also need good blood flow.

2) Doing high rep, very low weight movements will help with blood flow (as much as possible), however, some joints only have decent blood flow on the edges of the end of a bone. This is what Pavel talks about in super joints.

3) If you're doing these first two things, you would be best served by maximizing their potential by taking glucosamine, chondroitin, gelatin, MSM. My thoughts are kind of like this: We probably as a group here eat a great deal of meat - usually clean muscle, but not much in terms of connective tissues. Way back, our ancestors ate the entire animal (as you often hear), which probably helped provide for joint repair. In fact, glucosamine is typically ground up throats from cattle.

4) Warm up. Even if you're only 18....walking on a treadmill is good, but if you are patient enough, warming up doing the actual lift will work. Just don't jump in and throw 500 pounds on the bar, no matter how strong you are....

I'm sure there are others (and they may have been mentioned - I didn't read every post).....

So....you CAN stay on if you like, but you need a better excuse

Good luck man!

 

[zedhed]

Thanks all, appreciate all the good advice and your time.
Respect all.