starting cycle with dbol?

[hamper19]

I have a question, How much Dbol did everyone use in the beginning of their cycles to get a nice start.

I am going to be doing a cycle of Fina , transdermally @ around 120 mg/day hoping to get at least 70 mg absorbtion, for the ending 6 weeks,

along with this i am doing 50 mg winny ed weeks 3-6, and 100 mg/ed weeks 7-10.

for the first two weeks, i was going to do Dbol only. What does everyone think about beginning the 2 weeks with dbol..is 2 weeks on it long enough....should i start the fina with the dbol and do it the first 6 weeks instead of at the end?

any suggestions would be cool.....please dont tell me to inject the fina..lol...thaks

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[whodaman]

I know you said please don't tell me to inject the fina....but you should. 25-30mg a day d-bol for 4-5 weeks placed at the beginning of the cycle should be enough for what your looking to do. With the winny you shouldn't start at 50mg ed then bump it up to 100mg ed either go 50mg ed throughout or taper down (start with 100mg taper to 50mg). Good luck bro!

 

[hamper19]

I know you said please don't tell me to inject the fina....but you should. 25-30mg a day d-bol for 4-5 weeks placed at the beginning of the cycle should be enough for what your looking to do. With the winny you shouldn't start at 50mg ed then bump it up to 100mg ed either go 50mg ed throughout or taper down (start with 100mg taper to 50mg). Good luck bro!

thanks man

heres the situation....

right now i am 5'6 @ about 175..close to 11% bf. My goal is to

get to about 180-185, and drop about 5% bf while doing so. I dont mean only gain a total of 5 pounds, i want to end up around 180 aafter dropping some fat...i know i can do it, if i eat clean and work hard..

so say 25mg.ed of dbol for 4 weeks or so, should i do the fina at the same time as the dbol, or wait until the dbol is done to start anything else, like the winny to avoid using 2 17aa AS at the same time. I think i have a good cycle here but my timing seems a little off....when should i start the above mentioned AS.

here is what i am looking at now
weeks 1-4 25 mg/day dbol
weeks 7-12 fina @ 120 mg/day transdermally
weeks 5-8 winny 100 mg/ed then 9-12 @ 50mg/ed
clomid therapy will be post cycle I am thinking around 3 days or so after last winny tab? is this correct? Thanks again.

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[MUSTANG_18]

25-30mg/Day of D-Bol for the first 4-5 weeks is a good dose. Drop the Winny and add some Testosterone to the cycle. D-Bol and Winny would be to hard on the liver IMO. Why the hell are you not injecting the Fina ? It is WAY more effective, it's cheap and you don't have to go through the hasstle of applying it. Are you scared of needles ? Is that the reason for the all oral stack ?

M18

 

[hamper19]

by the way, if i go beyond 180, that is no big deal...id rather not though. im thinking with the dbol/fina/winny combo i can get about 10 - 15 solid pounds LBM.

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[MUSTANG_18]

WHY ALL ORAL! ?? I don't like that cycle and think you should drop the Winny nd add some Testosterone starting from week 1.

M18

 

[hamper19]

25-30mg/Day of D-Bol for the first 4-5 weeks is a good dose. Drop the Winny and add some Testosterone to the cycle. D-Bol and Winny would be to hard on the liver IMO. Why the hell are you not injecting the Fina ? It is WAY more effective, it's cheap and you don't have to go through the hasstle of applying it. Are you scared of needles ? Is that the reason for the all oral stack ?

M18

Not scared of needles,..its just that with my living arangements, its alot easier to hide orals, and dmso or plogel....

I have injected before, only in quads though. and it was my first cycle at only 200 mg/ deca about every 4th day..i added about 5-8 pounds LBM...i trained hard as fuck and ate real clean the whole time..and b4 and after the cycle....I really didnt like doing the injections...i mean igot over it and did it anyway..jus tthought it sucked everytime..lol...

I was actually thinking instead of Dbol, go weeks 1-4 with deca @ say 600 mg/week so there i would inject if necessary

keep the opinions coming....my original plan was only the winny and fina..lol...im getting more and more suped as i wait...
peace

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[MUSTANG_18]

It is not that hard to hide pins, I think you can manage if you wanted to

M18

 

[hamper19]

i definately am going to keep the winny in the mix......(this will only be my 2nd cycle)....I already have my fina at home and ready to go.

i am totally open for suggestions for what to add to the mix....i was just entertaining the thought of starting off with a little kick from some dbol....I dont have too much cash to spend on it either.

so anyone please feel free to add your comments...and dont flame me damnit...lol

peace

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[Michael Jones]

Alot of good advice in here. How bad do you want it hamper19.

 

[hamper19]

i actually still have a box of pins at my house....i think they are 23 awg...1inch...

im not totally against injections...i am most likely going to end up doing it again....

what about adding 600 mg/week deca for the first couple weeks....i dont want to use the deca and fina together for obvious reasons with progesterone induced gyno....

that is why i want to definately keep the winny there while on fina....i am more prone to gyno then others....thanks again for your help

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[hamper19]

Alot of good advice in here. How bad do you want it hamper19.

how bad do i want what..the advice?......im not disregarding peoples advice or anything......i mean i still have my opinions.....i welcome all advice totally.....i just want as much feedback as possible...negative and positive.....

peace

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[hard]

IMO:

start with dbol - 25 to 30mg/day
finish with winny - 50/day
fina in the last 4-5 weeks: inj. 150mg/eod ( sorry bro screw the topical application) - alot of guys do 75mg/day....your choice.
.2 to .25 or armidex a day

test cyp or eth 200mg twice weekly from day 1 until 7 days preclomid.


ps: don't argue with m18 he knows his shit!

good growin

 

[hamper19]

i know Mustang knows his shit......hell of a lot more then i do....hands down......maybe my reply's are coming across the wrong way

test cyp or eth 200mg twice weekly from day 1 until 7 days preclomid.

u are saying do this for 7 days after the cycle, and b4 the clomid...?

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[hamper19]

also, what about the arimidex...when does that get started?

for how long also? the entire duration?

thanks again
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[hard]

hey bro,

In other words - start your clomid 7 days after your last cyp inj.

Armidex from day 1 until after day 7 of clomid.

 

[hamper19]

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