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squats and deadlifts same day???
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enigma4dub
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http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=375215
read this, there are many members that run programs similar to this on this board.
to answer your question, yes squat first then dead
read this, there are many members that run programs similar to this on this board.
to answer your question, yes squat first then dead
BiggT
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Sure you can, it is simply a matter of conditioning. People used to the typical bodybuilding split think squatting and deadlifting is too much on the same day, or it is a bad idea, but really it works out really well for a lot of people.
You can do them both heavy as well. Squat first, like was posted above. Don't expect huge things on the dead the first few weeks, maybe even take a step or two back and rebuild the numbers, but within a few weeks your body will condition itself to this training and you should thrive on it.
I've cleaned, then squatted, then deadlifted, then flat benched, all heavy, all on the same day during one workout. If you're new to it, adjust poundages and then add workout by workout, as the pounds go up, so does your conditioning and you ease your body into this. If you go balls out on day one you'll be either ijured or very sore and frustrated.
I can't say enough, it is just a matter of simply conditioning yourself.
You can do them both heavy as well. Squat first, like was posted above. Don't expect huge things on the dead the first few weeks, maybe even take a step or two back and rebuild the numbers, but within a few weeks your body will condition itself to this training and you should thrive on it.
I've cleaned, then squatted, then deadlifted, then flat benched, all heavy, all on the same day during one workout. If you're new to it, adjust poundages and then add workout by workout, as the pounds go up, so does your conditioning and you ease your body into this. If you go balls out on day one you'll be either ijured or very sore and frustrated.
I can't say enough, it is just a matter of simply conditioning yourself.
Both options are good, so you could try experimenting.
Your choice may depend upon the amount of weight and volume in your gym session. I mean if you're hitting your muscles hard and heavy each session then you need to factor in recovery time.
Bear in mind that if your hips and lower back aren't particularly strong you might suffer from a workout that incorporates both the deadlift and squat.
Your choice may depend upon the amount of weight and volume in your gym session. I mean if you're hitting your muscles hard and heavy each session then you need to factor in recovery time.
Bear in mind that if your hips and lower back aren't particularly strong you might suffer from a workout that incorporates both the deadlift and squat.
likaiming said:
Can it be done - sure. However, my reservation is that you seem to be running a split and likely are training each lift/bodypart 1x per week. I think a lot of us feel that is a rather poor way to add muscle or get stronger in general (outside of bodybuilding I think the entire strength and conditioning world likely feels the same way). However, if you are wedded to the split I'd probably do deads with back. Squats and pulls are your best weapons and unless you plan on squatting several times a week (which your post doesn't suggest) I'd probably be inclined to spread them out so you don't have 1 really stimulative and taxing day and then 6 days of much lighter work each week.
BiggT
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Madcow2 said:
I agree, I didn't even think in terms of how you were training with regard to program design.
At the very least, you may want to try an upper/lower type split if you want to SQ and DL on the same day......if sticking with a split routine is more important to you and you don't plan to squat at least twice a week, then I agree to keep deads with back.
Just to add, I hate bodybuilding splits and I feel that they are nowhere in the neighborhood of optimal training, lol.
Yes this is not a good idea!! I did it and im on my 3rd day now and it feels like im caring 200 lbs. on my back everytime i walk. I dident know if i would make it up the stairs today and i was supposed to workout legs and do deads yesterday and there was no way that was gona happen.
Protobuilder
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BiggT said:
BiggT -- if someone's conditioning was up to it, would this workout be something they could do regularly (e.g., 2-3x/wk., assuming they maybe throw in at least one light day for each lift)?
protobuilder said:
It depends on you and your dead. The deadlift can be very taxing on the system. Moreso for very strong lifters and some people just find that they themselves can't pull that much or that often whereas others can pull heavy with more frequency. It is the maximum pull the body can muster. The Korte 3x3 program has squat, bench, dead every day 3x per week but it is a lot of workload, very carefully arranged, and there is zero assistance work.
BiggT
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Protobuilder said:
I wouldn't do it multiple times a week because my deadlift would add too much workload, for me even 75 % of my DL taxes the hell out of me, and with all the olympic lifting I do it would leave me feeling sluggish and depleted.
I'd do that workout I posted on Monday, and on the other days I would replace the deads with clean pulls/snatches/snatch pulls/shrugs/rows, etc ....I do shrug more than I dead, but the range of motion is so small compared to a pull from the floor that it isn't as taxing. I guess I could DL with 50% or so multiple times a week, but I see no sense in that when I could just do another legit lift at much higher intensity like a snatch or a clean.
Sometimes, I alternate deads in and out every other week with clean pulls on the heavy day. So, I'll Clean, Squat, (clean pull OR deadlift), bench. If my low-back is really beat up I listen to it and I'll do the clean pulls from the hang.
Like MC2 mentioned, program such as the Korte are very careful not to tax the body with much else work, but sometimes for guys who are strong pullers, the frequent DL sessions can be a bit more taxing than the workout plans for them to be.
I'd just say assess your pulls.....if they're a weakness, multiple deadlift sessions per week might be beneficial if they are properly programmed.....if you a beast when it comes to pulling, you might just over reach too soon.
Protobuilder
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Nice. Thanks. I'm just thinking about when life gets hectic and you simply don't have time to be in the gym, maybe it'd be one option to just hit a few of the biggest complex movements and get out, and I liked the clean/squat/bench/DL/go home idea.
likaiming
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Hey bros thanks alot for the info. I can dead 405 for about 6 on my last set and I can squat pretty heavy also. I was leaning toward the deads on back day and squats on leg day but just wanted to get others opinions. And yea, I have been working each part 1x a week. about 12 sets per body part. It is what I have been used to doing.
coldblue1955
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i just do deadlifts. it's the best thing for me.
enigma4dub
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lol right?coldblue1955 said:
blut wump
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On a split where you're working body parts only 1x per week, allow as many days as you can between legs and deads. I've recently worked an upper/lower type split but I was squatting 2x per week along with posterior chain work and I wasn't working to intentional failure on anything.
So, there's nothing intrinsically wrong with squats and deads on the same day but, since these are your two particularly heavy movements, it makes sense to space them out through the week, as madcow2 mentioned.
So, there's nothing intrinsically wrong with squats and deads on the same day but, since these are your two particularly heavy movements, it makes sense to space them out through the week, as madcow2 mentioned.
Illuminati
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yes you can. check out this article by Eric Cressey that outlines his squat/deadlift workout....
http://www.elitefts.com/documents/frequent_pulling.htm
http://www.elitefts.com/documents/frequent_pulling.htm
likaiming said:
