Sponsor Stack Prog Thread

[spamisok1]

I'm running a modified version of needto's sponsor stack:

1 M-Drol 90 Caps
1 P-plex 90 caps
1 Ai's cycle support
1 Sci Fit Kre-Alkalyn
1 Sci Fit Glutamine
1 WAXIMAIZE Natural 5 Lbs
1 Mix Protein Pack w/ BCAA/ supplements 911
1 Testosterone Recovery Stack: 1 sustain alpha, 1 Taco-8, 1 EndoAmp

Weeks 1-4 = 2 m-drol caps ed, 2 p-plex caps ed
Weeks5-8 = Test recovery stack
Cycle Support throughout.

My background:
28yrld
6'1"
195lbs
12-13% bf
Been lifting mixed with martial arts for about 6 years.
Never done AAS.
Goal is to keep roughly 10 lbs of lean mass. Possibly drop a bf % or two. I'll prob run a cutting program sometime closer to summer.

BMR = 2000
TDEE = 3000
Cals on cycle = 3500 (40%pro, 40%carb, 20%fat)

My Diet:
Meal 1 (8am)
½ Cup Oatmeal
8 oz skim milk
1 Scoop ON Protein
1 Scoop Cycle Support
3 pieces of whole wheat bread w/ natty PB
2 multivitimans
2 fish oil
2 m-drol
2 p-plex

Meal 2 and 3 (11am, 2pm)
½ pack purdue short cuts
1/3 cup quinoa/ brown rice
12 oz skim milk
½ serving almonds

Pre Lift(5pm)
1 Scoop Syntha 6 w/ water
5 grams creatine

Immediate Post Lift (630pm)
1.5 Scoops Wazy Maize
5 grams creatine
5 grams glut
1 scoop BCAA

Half Hour Post Lift (7pm)
2 Scoops pro – Supplement911
16 oz skim milk

Meal 6 (9pm)
Vary

Meal 7 (prob around 5 am)
2 cups 2% milk
1.5 Scoops ON Protein
1/3 cup maltodextrin

My Split
Mon - Legs/Abs
Tues - Back
Wed - Chest/Shoulders
Thurs - Arms/Abs
Fri - Legs
Focus on compound lifts, heavy.

I'm open to suggestions/changes on everything, let me know what you guys think.
I'll post progress weekly unless people have questions.

 

[needtogetaas]

Man I love it. You are going to be happy with the results.

 

[RADAR]

Looks good to me!


RADAR

 

[needtogetaas]

you will keep a log right.

 

[RADAR]

you will keep a log right.

I Hope so!
RADAR

 

[spamisok1]

you will keep a log right.

Yes, started today, 2/3/09.
From what I've read on other logs, there is really no noticable difference until about a week in, so I'll update weekly.

 

[dabuffguy]

Spread out your p-plex and m-drol doses bro. Do 1 each 2x per day. Not both of each at breakfast. Take your other one pre-workout.

 

[spamisok1]

Spread out your p-plex and m-drol doses bro. Do 1 each 2x per day. Not both of each at breakfast. Take your other one pre-workout.

Done. Thanks!

 

[spamisok1]

So I started on Tuesday and today is Friday. Really nothing to report, but for the sake of completeness I'm posting.
No noticable changes in strength or size, but from what I've read that starts week 2. Slight weight gains (roughly 1-2 lbs) but I've upped my water intake as well. I've been perfect on my diet, but if I cheat it will be on the weekend so we'll see. I took it easy on legs today so I can hit it hard Monday.

 

[spamisok1]

Today is Monday, day 7. Don't know what happened but I was weak and out of it at the gym. Had to stop about 15 minutes into my workout. I had a good night sleep and kept to my diet so I don't know whats wrong.

Don't want to make any judgments yet, but it has been one week with no noticable gains in strength or size. My weight is up a few pounds, but I've been drinking tons of water and I've noticed my pants are tighter around the waist. I don't want to cut out any calories, but I'm afraid its just turning to fat.

I'm extremely discouraged but i'm just gonna call it a bad day and keep going.

 

[dabuffguy]

Today is Monday, day 7. Don't know what happened but I was weak and out of it at the gym. Had to stop about 15 minutes into my workout. I had a good night sleep and kept to my diet so I don't know whats wrong.

Don't want to make any judgments yet, but it has been one week with no noticable gains in strength or size. My weight is up a few pounds, but I've been drinking tons of water and I've noticed my pants are tighter around the waist. I don't want to cut out any calories, but I'm afraid its just turning to fat.

I'm extremely discouraged but i'm just gonna call it a bad day and keep going.

Keep going bro. Be a beast and work hard. Getting discouraged and pussing out always leads to failure and disappointment. That isn't an option.

 

[spamisok1]

Today is day 10. I still have not noticed any changes in strenght or size. My weight jumped about 3 lbs when I strated (prob cause I doubled my water intake) but has stayed the same this week. I'm afraid to up my cals cause my waist definately gained at least an inch or two with no gains elsewhere. I'm been religious with my diet and have been going hard at the gym. Yesterday I changed to 3 m-drol ed and 3 p-plex ed. I'm hoping this will make a diff. I will say that yesterday and today I noticed sick pumps at the gym, but I'm not putting up any more wieght than last week.

I really wanted to see results with this stack so I could tell people you can get decent gains from a legal stack, but if nothing happens soon I'm going to drop back to 2 caps ed and add some Test E in weeks 3 and 4.

I will say that I'm 6'1" and have naturally gone from about 145 to about 195 over the last decade of lifting before hitting a wall. I tried tons of diet and exercise programs over the last 2 years but have not been able to make any additional gains, this is when I started researching AS. I'm starting to think that my genetics may be prohibiting me from breaking 200.

 

[needtogetaas]

Today is day 10. I still have not noticed any changes in strenght or size. My weight jumped about 3 lbs when I strated (prob cause I doubled my water intake) but has stayed the same this week. I'm afraid to up my cals cause my waist definately gained at least an inch or two with no gains elsewhere. I'm been religious with my diet and have been going hard at the gym. Yesterday I changed to 3 m-drol ed and 3 p-plex ed. I'm hoping this will make a diff. I will say that yesterday and today I noticed sick pumps at the gym, but I'm not putting up any more wieght than last week.

I really wanted to see results with this stack so I could tell people you can get decent gains from a legal stack, but if nothing happens soon I'm going to drop back to 2 caps ed and add some Test E in weeks 3 and 4.

I will say that I'm 6'1" and have naturally gone from about 145 to about 195 over the last decade of lifting before hitting a wall. I tried tons of diet and exercise programs over the last 2 years but have not been able to make any additional gains, this is when I started researching AS. I'm starting to think that my genetics may be prohibiting me from breaking 200.

could you post your full days diet though.


ANd like I said by the end of week two you will deff know it. Thats how long it takes for these ones bro.

 

[dabuffguy]

could you post your full days diet though.


ANd like I said by the end of week two you will deff know it. Thats how long it takes for these ones bro.

+1

Post your diet. There is no reason you shouldn't be getting weight and strength gains by now. At 6'1" and just at 200, you should easily be gaining weight with this stuff with proper diet.

Be very specific. Time of day, what, how much.

 

[dabuffguy]

My Diet:
Meal 1 (8am)
½ Cup Oatmeal (150 calories) - MAKE IT 1 CUP
8 oz skim milk (100 calories)
1 Scoop ON Protein (100 calories) MAKE IT 2 SCOOPS
1 Scoop Cycle Support
3 pieces of whole wheat bread w/ natty PB (proabably about400 calories mostly from fat)
2 multivitimans
2 fish oil (2-3 grams of fat 25 calories)
2 m-drol
2 p-plex


So, it looks like with breakfast you are getting about 700 calories give or take. I'd throw in an extra scoop of Protein with your breakfast and take 1 cup of oatmeal, not 1/2 cup. Also it's ideal to get some protein from whole food sources. Skim milk you got there is one. Eggs would be a good one to have in the AM.



Meal 2 and 3 (11am, 2pm)
½ pack purdue short cuts
1/3 cup quinoa/ brown rice
12 oz skim milk
½ serving almonds


WHERE'S THE MEAT???????!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????!!!!!!!!!!????????

If you want to put meat on yourself, you have to eat some. That is your problem right there. Relying on protein shakes to provide the majority of your protein is craptastic bro. You need to get in 1.5-2 lbs of meat a day. That's 24oz-32oz of meat. Do it in 3-4 8oz serving throught the day and you will see drastic improvements immediately.

 

[spamisok1]

My Diet:

Meal 2 and 3 (11am, 2pm)
½ pack purdue short cuts
1/3 cup quinoa/ brown rice
12 oz skim milk
½ serving almonds


WHERE'S THE MEAT???????!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????!!!!!!!!!!????????

If you want to put meat on yourself, you have to eat some. That is your problem right there. Relying on protein shakes to provide the majority of your protein is craptastic bro. You need to get in 1.5-2 lbs of meat a day. That's 24oz-32oz of meat. Do it in 3-4 8oz serving throught the day and you will see drastic improvements immediately.

The 1/2 pack purdue short cuts is 4.5 oz of chicken which provides 28 g pro, 2 g carbs, and 4g fat. I also eat some sort of fish, steak or chicken with my meal 6 (vary). I'll start sneaking in more with each meal. I had to drop all veggies as I can barely get down all this rice, chicken and milk as it is.

 

[spamisok1]

So today is day 14. I haven't weighed myself since day 10, I'll do that tomorrow am. My girlfriend did say that she noticed my arms were bigger but followed up with a comment about my gut.

I did legs today and noticed that everything besides my squat is going up. I also noticed some fierce pain in the front of my knees on squats and lunges. I'm going to pick up some glucosamine tomorrow, although I have not noticed any other joint dryness besides my knees, so this might be a stretching/warm up issue. I currently warm up with a 3/4 mile jog at 6.0 on the treadmill, strecth, then prison squats, squats with 135lbs., then start my lifting. Anyone think I'm missing something to get my knees going?

Since I saw strength gains today, I'm going to remain on 3 mdrol and 3 pplex for week 3. If I need to add gear I'll do it beginning of week 4, hopefully I won't need it.

 

[dabuffguy]

The 1/2 pack purdue short cuts is 4.5 oz of chicken which provides 28 g pro, 2 g carbs, and 4g fat. I also eat some sort of fish, steak or chicken with my meal 6 (vary). I'll start sneaking in more with each meal. I had to drop all veggies as I can barely get down all this rice, chicken and milk as it is.

4.5 oz meat portions is for ladies. Eat twice that at very least. For real.

10-12oz 3X per day. Atleast one of those times needs to be lean beef. That is what you need to get big.


Don't leave out your veggies. They are important. If anything, eat less rice to get those veggies in.

 

[brandonp005]

Make sure you don't do too much cardio pre-workout bro. I believe it actually lowers your IGF-1 levels.

 

[spamisok1]

So I adjusted my diet to replace a lot of the carbs with pro from meat. I had to pull my "fat pants" out of the closet for work so something is off. Here is my adjusted diet listing pro/carb/fat.

I started at 192.3 and today (day 15) weighed in at 201.0. Somehow I gained roughly 9 lbs and can only notice the diff on my waist. Then again, I went from a very low carb diet and 1.5 hours of jujutsu ed to shoveling rice in my face and no cardio.

My lifts were up slightly today but nothing big.

Meal 1
½ cup oatmeal (5/22/2)
8 oz skim milk (8/12/0)
2 scoops ON Protein (48/6/2)
1 scoop cycle support
2 tbsp natty PB (8/4/16)
2 multivitimans
2 fish oil
1 mdrol
1 pplex

Meal 2
10 oz chicken (60/0/4)
1/3 cup brown rice (3/26/5)
8 oz milk (8/12/0)
½ serving almonds (3/2/8)

Meal 3
10 oz chicken (60/0/4)
veggie
8 oz milk (8/12/0)
½ serving almonds (3/2/8)

Pre
1 scoup Syntha 6 w/ water (22/15/6)
5 grams creatine

Post
1.5 scoops waxy maize (0/45/0)
5 grams creatine
5 grams glut
1 scoop BCAA

Half Hour Later
2 scoops Supplements 911 Pro
16 oz skim milk

Meal 6
10 oz beef (80/0/20)
1/3 cup brown rice (3/26/5)
veggie

Meal 7
2 cups whole milk (16/22/16)
1.5 scoops ON pro (36/5/2)

 

[dabuffguy]

Much better bro.


How many carbs are in syntha-6? You'll want 1 scoop of waxymaize pre-workout with it.

 

[spamisok1]

Much better bro.


How many carbs are in syntha-6? You'll want 1 scoop of waxymaize pre-workout with it.

Syntha 6, per scoop, 22g pro, 15g carb (5 g dietary fiber), 6g fat.

 

[dabuffguy]

Syntha 6, per scoop, 22g pro, 15g carb (5 g dietary fiber), 6g fat.

Throw in 30 grams of waxy (should be just 1 scoop) with it. I always have better workouts and recovery when using waxy pre and post workout. I always use 2 scoops before(with 40 grams protein 1.5 scoops) and 2 after (with 2 scoops protein). My protein is 28 grams protein per 30g scoop pure whey isolate.

That should be sufficient for now. Keep eating that meat and training hard. You'll get results.

 

[dabuffguy]

Bump.


How's this going bro?

 

[spamisok1]

Bump.
How's this going bro?

I gave it 3 weeks; I put on some water weight and fat but never made strenght gains. Guess it just wasnt working with my body.

Beginning week 4 I scrapped this stack and began a stack with 400 Test E, 400 Deca, 250 Winstrol (50 ed m-f).. I'm running this about 6 weeks. Today is the beginning of week 3 of the new stack and I weighed in at 208.6 this am. I'm expecting to put on significant muscle in the next 3 weeks. I'm still carrying some fat and water but I'll take care of that later, just working on gains for now.

Thanks for everybody's help