Sperm Problems

[testoman79]

Ok this might be a bit of a long one firstly I am 30 years old and started my first cycle of AAS early last year this was



Wk 1-8 Deca Durabolin 400mg per wk

Wk 1-8 Sustanon 500mg per wk

Wk 1-8 Proviron 50mg per day



I finished this cycle and foolishly did not take any PCT I was of for approx 11 weeks then started cycle again



Wk 1-8 Deca Durabolin 600mg per wk

Wk 1-8 Sustanon 500mg per wk

Wk 1-8 Proviron 50mg per day



Then I did pct as follows



Wk 10-12 hCG 1500iu x 3 Mon/Wed/Fri

Wk 10-12 Nolvadex 20mg per day



I then started my 3rd cycle around February this year as followes



Wk 1-5 Deca Durabolin 600mg per wk

Wk 1-5 Sustanon 500mg per wk

Wk 1-8 Proviron 50mg per day



Wk 6-8 152mg Parabolan per week

Wk 6-8 400mg Virormone per week



During the 3rd week of the above 3rd cycle I had to carry out a sperm test as me and my gal have been trying for a baby for a while and the test came back at practically zero I told the specialist about my use of AAS who told me that they could have affected my fertility for life but could not be sure until I have carried out another sperm test after I had discontinued the AAS I finished the above cycle as laid out and then did PCT as follows



Wk 9-11 hCG 1500iu x 3 per week Mon/Wed/Fri

Wk 9-11 Nolvadex 20mg per day

Wk 9-11 Clomid 50 mg per day

Wk 12-14 Nolvadex 20mg per day

Wk 12-14 50mg Clomid per day



I have another sperm test booked at the end of June is there anything anyone can tell or advise me that might help???



Any help is much appreciated!!!

 

[DIVISION]

I have another sperm test booked at the end of June is there anything anyone can tell or advise me that might help???

Any help is much appreciated!!!

Eh, bro.

The doc wants to see if your testes can produce enough sperm naturally and you need that time off so you are removed from AAS completely.......it's a baseline reading for sperm count.

There's nothing I can say that will help.......all it comes down to now is your nuts......whether they will recover fully or whether there is permanent atrophy of the leydig cells in your testes.

Time will tell, bro. Sorry I can't help.......just trying to help you understand what the reality is.




DIV

 

[testoman79]

Is the AAS i have taken realy enough to fuck my testes for life???

 

[DIVISION]

Is the AAS i have taken realy enough to fuck my testes for life???

It's certainly possible, man.

You didn't do PCT after the first cycle and then you waited 11 weeks and jumped right in to another cycle before your testes ever recovered.

You'd need to be off all AAS for an extended period in order for your doc to determine if your nuts will come back with any kind of force. Otherwise we're talkin' artificial insemination.

I wish the best of luck, nugga.




DIV

 

[deltoromd]

i was and am in a similar position you are in. Check out the tread, Help, Low Test Levels!!!

Dr. has me taking Zinc, DHEA and now copper. Naturally i was able to increase my levels of test, LH and FSH. I will prob have to go on Clomid (clomaphene Citrate) for a while also. Look at my original test results that i posted. Everything was way below normal but is starting to make a comeback. So, find a Dr. that knows what he is doing. The Dr. i have is kind of a prick, but is an expert in his field and has basically "Been there, dont that". So he knows the side affects first hand. Thats why i have continued to stay with him. Find a Dr. that knows this shit first hand and he should be able to help you...

Good luck and dont wait...

 

[DIVISION]

The Dr. i have is kind of a prick, but is an expert in his field and has basically "Been there, dont that". So he knows the side affects first hand.

What does him being a prick have to do with anything? As long as he knows what's best for your nuts, that's all you should be concerned with. He's not there to baby you......

Come on, people.........



DIV

 

[nipples]

In all honestly it could be genetic, my dad has a low sperm count(Thats when my parents were trying to have a child), or like you mentioned the aas use. Not doing the pct f'd you up bro, maybe run the test a bit higher than the deca next time and about a week to two longer.

 

[testoman79]

OK I here ya bro but the problem is the Dr `s over here in england dont seem to know shit diddley about this sort of thing so it is looking a bit like Im gonna have to try and sort this out for myself
I would not say I have low testosterone levels though my cock is always hard and i could do my gal 5 times a day no probs i have no trouble eating or sleeping and certainly have plenty of motivation I am a little moody but then i always have been very bad tempered...
You see thats the issue here in England doc`s dont seem to have a clue about this sort of thing!!!

 

[DIVISION]

OK I here ya bro but the problem is the Dr `s over here in england dont seem to know shit diddley about this sort of thing so it is looking a bit like Im gonna have to try and sort this out for myself
I would not say I have low testosterone levels though my cock is always hard and i could do my gal 5 times a day no probs i have no trouble eating or sleeping and certainly have plenty of motivation I am a little moody but then i always have been very bad tempered...
You see thats the issue here in England doc`s dont seem to have a clue about this sort of thing!!!

Sperm count is unrelated to seminal volume......meaning just because you have regular semen volume, doesn't necessarily mean there is an adequate amount of sperm in every shot of semen.



DIV

 

[Triple-G]

- 99,9% of men who underwent clinical trials for a male contraceptive got their sperm count back up even after 1 year and longer of azoospermia; while these 2 cycles could have f'ed you up for life it is very very unlikely
- Nandrolone (deca) kills sperm production more intensly than basic testosterone; it will take you longer (most say an extra 4 weeks) to bounce back
- seminal volume does indeed not tell anything about what's in there, 95% of volume comes from the prostate; i had a vasectomy some years ago, no women can tell that there is no sperm in there
- erections are a function of testosterone, sperm count is a function of FSH; even naturally infertile men can have decent erections

i bet you will have a nice sperm count in 2 months

 

[testoman79]

Triple

Thanks for the information dude and this is definately what i need to hear right now ....
K to ya dude

 

[deltoromd]

DIV, did you not read the whole fucking post? Here let me quote you the next line, "but is an expert in his field and has basically Been there, done that. So he knows the side affects first hand. Thats why i have continued to stay with him"
Read the whole thing before you start flapping your gums.

What does him being a prick have to do with anything? As long as he knows what's best for your nuts, that's all you should be concerned with. He's not there to baby you......

Come on, people.........



DIV

 

[DIVISION]

DIV, did you not read the whole fucking post? Here let me quote you the next line, "but is an expert in his field and has basically Been there, done that. So he knows the side affects first hand. Thats why i have continued to stay with him"
Read the whole thing before you start flapping your gums.

I read your whole post, and I still find it humorous how you 'd say he was a prick......

Who cares what his demeanor is? As long as he knows his shit, and takes care of your nuts, it doesn't matter.

I just think it's nitpicky for your to complain about his attitude. You should tell him that he acts like a prick, then watch as he drops you off his patient list (which he CAN do).




DIV

 

[Triple J]

dude you are going to be ok just stay with the program and have some paitence ... as with the other poster I think a little dhea and some zinc would also help you

 

[RoHudTuffy]

This will blow your mind - but your sperm levels are not low because injected testosterone made your serum testo levels too high. Its because they were too low. The testosterone levels in your testes are 50 times higher than in your serum - testosterone is necessary for sperm production. Even when your free serum testosterone is say for example 3000, its way to low to maintain sperm production. LH release is reduced by elevated testosterone levels, but sperm production is inhibited by a chemical called "inhibin". In otherwords high serum testosterone will reduce LH, but does not reduce FSH - inhibin has negative feedback on inhibin.

you need HMG and anastrazole added to your "pump - de - nutz - up" formula. Don't ask what HMG is, do a search at pubmed or elsehwere

 

[testoman79]

I know what HMG is (Puregon, Monogon ect) and I can get this if need be. I sent a PM to Jenetic and he told me not to worry about the HMG at the moment and to just make sure that I had completed a full PCT and see what my results were on the next occasion and hopefully the test will come back with great improvement.

If I had to run some HMG is it like 100iu 3 times weekly in combination with the hCG at 1500iu 3 times weekly does anyone know???
Hopefully I am not gonna have to go down this route....

 

[DIVISION]

I know what HMG is (Puregon, Monogon ect) and I can get this if need be. I sent a PM to Jenetic and he told me not to worry about the HMG at the moment and to just make sure that I had completed a full PCT and see what my results were on the next occasion and hopefully the test will come back with great improvement.

If I had to run some HMG is it like 100iu 3 times weekly in combination with the hCG at 1500iu 3 times weekly does anyone know???
Hopefully I am not gonna have to go down this route....

If that combination doesn't bring your nuts back from the dead, I don't know what will!

Hopefully you've got enough seed left to spread your genes.........





DIV