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shirlene29

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I have a friend on board that has experience in grant writing and an attorney on retainer to help out with the non profit I am putting together info to start.

He's doing all the work I hate allowing me to do the parts I love :)

pretty pumped to have an unexpected ally in this!
 
What the hell are you talking about, thought you were a broke dick fucker
 
yeah I am...its called grant writing and a well heeled friend with a similar interest
 
^^^ what Mitch said....and on that note, hopefully do something I genuinely like doing to earn that paycheck.
 
I mentioned it before.


Pulling shelter dogs from high kill shelters and putting them through training to be therapy and service dogs for disabled veterans.
There are a couple of other non profit groups that do this same thing but only two that use shelter dogs. There is a search and rescue group, who has actually become internationally known to produce outstanding SAR dogs, that did this same thing; an idea that turned the SAR community on its head.

The VA made a recent decision that while studies repeatedly showed that disabled Veterans quality of life was exponentially better especially among the PTSD/TBI vets they would not in fact be paying for therapy dogs.
They will pay for seeing eye dogs so that area would not need to be covered.



My idea is that at the lowest level of training dogs can be trained as therapy dogs, which is really not much more than earning a canine good citizen certificate and at the higher end of the spectrum be service dogs that provide assistance in various ways.

I've talked to a couple of high kill shelters, a veterinary clinic group (need to talk to a few more) and two trainers that are all on board to provide services.


The friend is looking into the nuts and bolts and dealing with legalities and funding.
 
My biggest issue is the breed predominately in shelters is pit bulls and breed bans in various locations.

pit bulls have been shown to be outstanding service animals so my problem isn't with the dogs so much as public perception, insurance problems, and breed bans.
 
I didn't ask EF peeps for money to live but I was grateful for it, grateful that people saw I was in a bad enough spot that I needed help.

I don't have money to put in to this venture but I do have knowledge and the ability to ask for resources.
No ,I seriously doubt I'll be able to pull a paycheck from it in a month or two (or 12) but I've gotten a very favorable response by the idea all the way around and hopefully by the time it becomes full time regular daytime hours work I can.

Before that point what do I have to lose and its a way for me to pay it forward.
 
shirlene29 said:
I didn't ask EF peeps for money to live but I was grateful for it, grateful that people saw I was in a bad enough spot that I needed help.

I don't have money to put in to this venture but I do have knowledge and the ability to ask for resources.
No ,I seriously doubt I'll be able to pull a paycheck from it in a month or two (or 12) but I've gotten a very favorable response by the idea all the way around and hopefully by the time it becomes full time regular daytime hours work I can.

Before that point what do I have to lose and its a way for me to pay it forward.
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This is a really cool idea. You should try to inform your local paper and news. If they do a report on it you might get some local investors.

The pet industry is in the billions of dollars. Hell, some people are more willing to help pets than people.
 
I volunteered at several nonprofits and have a friend that runs one. I see the struggles that side of business can have. Best of luck shirl!
 
Agreed, and the vet angle I have a lot of connections in as well.

when we get everything filed I hope to do at least a cpl of small spotlight pieces on it with some local papers or online news like our local patch.
 
*ebony* said:
I volunteered at several nonprofits and have a friend that runs one. I see the struggles that side of business can have. Best of luck shirl!
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thanks...I know it well and saw a lot of pitfalls on the administrative side of things from volunteering with a volly ambulance and some animal rescue stuff.

I think if it can be maintained like a business first and foremost you can avoid a lot of problems that can be run into when you allow egos to get in the way (saw this a lot with the ambulance).
 
Does it have to be dogs? How about an animal that isn't a stupid, drooling, shedding, needy mess? Like a trained chimp. Ella from Monkey Shines, carrying a straight razor, would make a great service animal.
 
Let's round up the EF donors for the non-profit then.

I think I'll start one too. I'll call it the "Pay my Mortgage Foundation." Who wants to donate??????
 
My child support is fucking killing me...I need some cash
 
and attorney that's willing to put together the paperwork required pro bono has been located


multiple states are overturning breed specific legislation citing irresponsible dog ownership as the issue with dog bites not breeds (studies repeatedly support this) ..this has me thinking more on the bully breed angle ...

thoughts?
 
shirlene29 said:
and attorney that's willing to put together the paperwork required pro bono has been located


multiple states are overturning breed specific legislation citing irresponsible dog ownership as the issue with dog bites not breeds (studies repeatedly support this) ..this has me thinking more on the bully breed angle ...

thoughts?
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You will never get past the bull reputation - bad idea
 
Pits do make great pets and can be very loving and playful, it all depends how they were raised. Only thing is pits require a lot of room to run and chase other little varmints and such, they are very active dogs maybe too active for someone to use as a service animal. Although very easy to train if you take the time the will always remain aggressive and need a safe outlet to express that( pulling on ropes, active play areas ect).mine are excellent service animals they keep anyone from entering my prop. and if someone does they are very efficient at making sure they don't try it again . Hahaha . Then come home and play with no aggressive tendencies towards known people. When I say come home that's because my (yard) is 160 acres, giving them plenty of room to run and play, they have never spent one day on a chain nor in a cage. Great pets if treated right! Service animal ? Loyal, trustworthy, breed but due to all the media and the fact that most people mistreat them! Super bad rep! Hey but good fortune in your endeavor ! Pray for the best outcome for you! Seems like a sincere plan.
 
my pit was ultra neglected and abused and is a hardcore coach potato who loves everyone and everything and exhibits absolutely zero aggressive characteristics.
She does like tug but will play it with the two year old even and let the two year old "win". I'm finding she's really not the anomaly but yeah, I've met quite a few small high strung pits that need a lot of exercise whether it be mental or physical.

You can definitely shape a weak nerved dog with bad treatment and a lack of socialization to be aggressive but even with poor treatment a vast majority of them do not become aggressive.

That's the problem with generalizations about any breed. People assume labs are all natural retrievers that are very friendly..they're actually usually very friendly because they are usually kept as family pets and retrieve because this is what everyone assumes you do with labs. Pits are regarded as aggressive because a certain type of owner has had them for almost a decade now. The same perception has happened in history with bloodhounds, newfoundlands, mastiffs, dobermans, shepherds (less so than the rest), rottweilers and pit bulls. Now I'm not saying all pits are good dogs because they're obviously not. Some are downright fuckheads.

but on the same note the two top SAR dogs in the nation are a pair of pits but their handler has had a lot of bumps along the way.


I think billfred is right though. I think only a very small section of the population is going to be accepting of them as service animals so I think the original plan to leave it breed open with pits being regarded on the same playing field as other breeds will be the way to go but I don't think they should be discounted or avoided either but perhaps only placed in states that have made preemptive legislation banning breed specific legislation.
 
They are a terrible breed that should be eradicated. I have seen countless attacks and heard first hand stories of how a fantastic family raised pit attacked/killed/maimed a family member. Sure all dogs have the potential to bite but not all dogs have the potential to kill as easily as they do. Their violent nature is instinctual and it only requires a trigger to set it off. Anyone that gets a pit bull with small children in the house is a shitty fucking parent.
 
pdaddyII said:
They are a terrible breed that should be eradicated. I have seen countless attacks and heard first hand stories of how a fantastic family raised pit attacked/killed/maimed a family member. Sure all dogs have the potential to bite but not all dogs have the potential to kill as easily as they do. Their violent nature is instinctual and it only requires a trigger to set it off. Anyone that gets a pit bull with small children in the house is a shitty fucking parent.
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...and that is why the liability of a non-profit dishing out Pits will never work.
 
pdaddyII said:
They are a terrible breed that should be eradicated. I have seen countless attacks and heard first hand stories of how a fantastic family raised pit attacked/killed/maimed a family member. Sure all dogs have the potential to bite but not all dogs have the potential to kill as easily as they do. Their violent nature is instinctual and it only requires a trigger to set it off. Anyone that gets a pit bull with small children in the house is a shitty fucking parent.
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^^^ This! Oh, and they are the stupidest looking mongrels ever.
 
WoodyO said:
^^^ This! Oh, and they are the stupidest looking mongrels ever.
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its not the breed its the person who raised it is to blame, yes pitbulls can be dangerous but if you raise them right there more friendly around kids then most small dogs. its all stereotypical, like how you see someone cross the street just because some one walking a rottweiler, if the owner trains the dog and disciplines it there not killers, if the owners a lazy piece of shit the dog will be too because that's his owner. yes there still are chances the dog will go ape shit and attack everything in sight without a care in the world, as white foam is coming out its mouth.. but the chances are highly unlikely with a good owner, you have to traon your dog the right way because even after decades as being pets there still animals, any way you spin this its owner who's held responsible.

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pdaddyII said:
They are a terrible breed that should be eradicated. I have seen countless attacks and heard first hand stories of how a fantastic family raised pit attacked/killed/maimed a family member. Sure all dogs have the potential to bite but not all dogs have the potential to kill as easily as they do. Their violent nature is instinctual and it only requires a trigger to set it off. Anyone that gets a pit bull with small children in the house is a shitty fucking parent.
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+1

pits suck, lets stop making excuses and rationalizing based on one instance where a pit didnt happen to rip off someones face.

One tried to attack my little sweet hound dog and i booted that fucker into the next zip code and almost went after to shoot it with my pistol i was so fucking pissed.
 
pdaddyII said:
They are a terrible breed that should be eradicated. I have seen countless attacks and heard first hand stories of how a fantastic family raised pit attacked/killed/maimed a family member. Sure all dogs have the potential to bite but not all dogs have the potential to kill as easily as they do. Their violent nature is instinctual and it only requires a trigger to set it off. Anyone that gets a pit bull with small children in the house is a shitty fucking parent.
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I'll argue this slightly but then I'll drop it because I know it falls of deaf ears. A 60 lb pit has the same bite psi and gameness as a 60 lb lab. They score on par with labs and goldens on independent breed temperament testing. Their fight style is no different than any other breed of dog from a yorkie to a dane. They do not have some sort of magic hair trigger that other breeds lack, all dogs are first and foremost animals that act on instinct.

Whats interesting is 100 years ago people seemed to understand what would and would not provoke a dog and treated a dog like a dog. News and policing reporting on dog bites would actually look into factors that caused a bite to occur to try and learn from it and prevent it from happening again. In recent history its boiled down to breed and virtually no other factors. An animal chained in the backyard its entire life is called a family pet. This is erroneous and doesn't help people not be seriously injured by dogs.

You had said to me there was a disproportionate amount of dog bite injuries coming through your ED due to pits. I believe that completely. There are a disproportionate amount of pits in the population and the same number of asshole owners there's always been. I guess kids suddenly stopped teasing dogs or acting erratically in front of them and inciting prey drive.

Shitty parents place their children in a situation that allows them to be seriously injured by an animal. I do not believe and child should be left unsupervised with any dog. Thanks for the shitty parent statement though.

Now I agree with Bill that there would be liability problem for a non profit, not in this state or pretty much all of New England incidentally, but in a lot of other locations its a huge problem.

I'd have to dig it up again but there's a county in some backwards state with a breed ban that prohibits, pits, mastiffs (of every conceivable variety), dobies and shepherds. What I find perplexing about the whole thing is there's no research that supports it. There are a few states where severe bites and fatalities have actually gone up where their are breed specific legislation in place.
 
hulkamainia 119 said:
its not the breed its the person who raised it is to blame, yes pitbulls can be dangerous but if you raise them right there more friendly around kids then most small dogs. its all stereotypical, like how you see someone cross the street just because some one walking a rottweiler, if the owner trains the dog and disciplines it there not killers, if the owners a lazy piece of shit the dog will be too because that's his owner. yes there still are chances the dog will go ape shit and attack everything in sight without a care in the world, as white foam is coming out its mouth.. but the chances are highly unlikely with a good owner, you have to traon your dog the right way because even after decades as being pets there still animals, any way you spin this its owner who's held responsible.

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Wrong
 
hulkamainia 119 said:
its not the breed its the person who raised it is to blame, yes pitbulls can be dangerous but if you raise them right there more friendly around kids then most small dogs. its all stereotypical, like how you see someone cross the street just because some one walking a rottweiler, if the owner trains the dog and disciplines it there not killers, if the owners a lazy piece of shit the dog will be too because that's his owner. yes there still are chances the dog will go ape shit and attack everything in sight without a care in the world, as white foam is coming out its mouth.. but the chances are highly unlikely with a good owner, you have to traon your dog the right way because even after decades as being pets there still animals, any way you spin this its owner who's held responsible.

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This, and this is the direction that legislation and enforcement needs to go.

I've been bit in the face by a pekingnese, and one of my dogs attacked on the sidewalk across the street by a fucking cocker spaniel.

Literally every dog trainer, half the vets and a handful of ACOs I've talked to own pits themselves. these people KNOW dogs. Theyre all wrong? The CDC is wrong? The American Association of veterinarians is wrong? The ASPCA is wrong too? and thats just off the top of my head.
Its a really interesting sociological problem to me but I don't think it's a breed problem.
 
hulkamainia 119 said:
its not the breed its the person who raised it is to blame, yes pitbulls can be dangerous but if you raise them right there more friendly around kids then most small dogs. its all stereotypical, like how you see someone cross the street just because some one walking a rottweiler, if the owner trains the dog and disciplines it there not killers, if the owners a lazy piece of shit the dog will be too because that's his owner. yes there still are chances the dog will go ape shit and attack everything in sight without a care in the world, as white foam is coming out its mouth.. but the chances are highly unlikely with a good owner, you have to traon your dog the right way because even after decades as being pets there still animals, any way you spin this its owner who's held responsible.

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Fix your fucking avatard, dammit.
 
How silly of people to "assume" that labs are natural retrievers. I mean whatever would give them that idea?

Maybe is because they are called Labrador Retrievers?? Why would they call them that though? Couldn't be because they bred that retrieving trait into them. That would be just plain silly!
 
oh sure, doesn't have anything to do with breeding for prey drive making them good at retrieving either

they also excel at scent work too...perhaps we should change the name to labrador scenters.

pretty good at pointing too..because of...wait for it.....prey drive! yey! stunned they aren't called pointers..odd really.

guess what, you still teach a lab to retrieve even if it is unwittingly.

I would be willing to bet "pit bulls" don't do so hot with their original breed name/purpose either without training...managing cattle.

And on that note pdaddy, then I gotta go with what I know too. I've literally never dealt with a single pit bull mauling. One rottie mauling that was pretty bad and one decently bad mauling by a shepherd mix. I've met an overwhelming amount of very friendly, well trained pits.

But again, the original question wasn't whether or not pits are a bad dog. It was what public perception was and given that this is going about 99% negative towards the breed group then that answers the question doesn't it.
 
So why start a nonprofit that has a product that has a 99% negative public perception?
 
shirlene29 said:
This, and this is the direction that legislation and enforcement needs to go.

I've been bit in the face by a pekingnese, and one of my dogs attacked on the sidewalk across the street by a fucking cocker spaniel.

Literally every dog trainer, half the vets and a handful of ACOs I've talked to own pits themselves. these people KNOW dogs. Theyre all wrong? The CDC is wrong? The American Association of veterinarians is wrong? The ASPCA is wrong too? and thats just off the top of my head.
Its a really interesting sociological problem to me but I don't think it's a breed problem.
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yes everyones wrong including you..

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-SD- said:
So why start a nonprofit that has a product that has a 99% negative public perception?
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I just said I probably wouldn't or did you miss that part?

I think I'd like to have it the way I originally had thought of it. Based on individual dogs not breed specific in any way.
The partner in the venture was the one who brought up the idea of making it pit specific. I saw a flaw in this immediately because I knew of a couple of stories where fully trained service pit bulls were euthanized simply because they were pit bulls and their owners did not realize an area they were traveling through had breed specific legislation.

I think it would detract from the mission statement.
 
WoodyO said:
I can't believe I read all 28 pages of that horse shit.
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I can't believe I posted in this Thumper dumber,

okay fuck everything I said earlier all pitbulls will eat you alive if you don't keep them on a titanium leash and a horse tranquilizer by your bed at all times, they will attack no matter what, and they only eat human organs since there genes and dna are the same as a sharks, same goes with rottweilers, chiwawas, teacup pups, german Shepard, doverman pintcher, and any other bread similar to a fucking shark..

fuucckkkkxxkkkkckk


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Yeah I knew that was your stance woody, thanks for sharing it again.
 
Could they breed pitt bulls smaller like those little giraffes? Then when Paris Hilton walks around with her new mini-pitt they'll be cool and people will take a second look at the big ones.
 
Captain FT said:
Could they breed pitt bulls smaller like those little giraffes? Then when Paris Hilton walks around with her new mini-pitt they'll be cool and people will take a second look at the big ones.
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lolol...I actually saw one that was 30 lbs full grown at a rescue, cropped ears and all. Tiny little girl with freckles on her face. No wide shoulders. Made me wonder what she was really mixed with.
 
What would you cross breed a pit with in order to get some huge Joseph Merrick nut's and a tiny soft peener?
 
Lololololololololo, next time I'll fluff like all you fuckers before taking pics, not to hard, not too soft, just impressive enough
 
Captain FT said:
Yeah the ones DirecTV uses for their commercials. Those are so cool.
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OMG the one you hold in your hand that gives kisses!!??! I want one tooo!!!

lolol, seriously though, when I had cable I loved those commercials
 
the propping your balls up w/the waistband of your underwear (aka the push up bra) was a subtle touch to make your balls look bigger.
 
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