somewhat excited!

[WoodyO]

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Fail!

 

[-SD-]

They are a terrible breed that should be eradicated. I have seen countless attacks and heard first hand stories of how a fantastic family raised pit attacked/killed/maimed a family member. Sure all dogs have the potential to bite but not all dogs have the potential to kill as easily as they do. Their violent nature is instinctual and it only requires a trigger to set it off. Anyone that gets a pit bull with small children in the house is a shitty fucking parent.

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pits suck, lets stop making excuses and rationalizing based on one instance where a pit didnt happen to rip off someones face.

One tried to attack my little sweet hound dog and i booted that fucker into the next zip code and almost went after to shoot it with my pistol i was so fucking pissed.

 

[shirlene29]

They are a terrible breed that should be eradicated. I have seen countless attacks and heard first hand stories of how a fantastic family raised pit attacked/killed/maimed a family member. Sure all dogs have the potential to bite but not all dogs have the potential to kill as easily as they do. Their violent nature is instinctual and it only requires a trigger to set it off. Anyone that gets a pit bull with small children in the house is a shitty fucking parent.

I'll argue this slightly but then I'll drop it because I know it falls of deaf ears. A 60 lb pit has the same bite psi and gameness as a 60 lb lab. They score on par with labs and goldens on independent breed temperament testing. Their fight style is no different than any other breed of dog from a yorkie to a dane. They do not have some sort of magic hair trigger that other breeds lack, all dogs are first and foremost animals that act on instinct.

Whats interesting is 100 years ago people seemed to understand what would and would not provoke a dog and treated a dog like a dog. News and policing reporting on dog bites would actually look into factors that caused a bite to occur to try and learn from it and prevent it from happening again. In recent history its boiled down to breed and virtually no other factors. An animal chained in the backyard its entire life is called a family pet. This is erroneous and doesn't help people not be seriously injured by dogs.

You had said to me there was a disproportionate amount of dog bite injuries coming through your ED due to pits. I believe that completely. There are a disproportionate amount of pits in the population and the same number of asshole owners there's always been. I guess kids suddenly stopped teasing dogs or acting erratically in front of them and inciting prey drive.

Shitty parents place their children in a situation that allows them to be seriously injured by an animal. I do not believe and child should be left unsupervised with any dog. Thanks for the shitty parent statement though.

Now I agree with Bill that there would be liability problem for a non profit, not in this state or pretty much all of New England incidentally, but in a lot of other locations its a huge problem.

I'd have to dig it up again but there's a county in some backwards state with a breed ban that prohibits, pits, mastiffs (of every conceivable variety), dobies and shepherds. What I find perplexing about the whole thing is there's no research that supports it. There are a few states where severe bites and fatalities have actually gone up where their are breed specific legislation in place.

 

[pdaddyII]

its not the breed its the person who raised it is to blame, yes pitbulls can be dangerous but if you raise them right there more friendly around kids then most small dogs. its all stereotypical, like how you see someone cross the street just because some one walking a rottweiler, if the owner trains the dog and disciplines it there not killers, if the owners a lazy piece of shit the dog will be too because that's his owner. yes there still are chances the dog will go ape shit and attack everything in sight without a care in the world, as white foam is coming out its mouth.. but the chances are highly unlikely with a good owner, you have to traon your dog the right way because even after decades as being pets there still animals, any way you spin this its owner who's held responsible.

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Wrong

 

[shirlene29]

its not the breed its the person who raised it is to blame, yes pitbulls can be dangerous but if you raise them right there more friendly around kids then most small dogs. its all stereotypical, like how you see someone cross the street just because some one walking a rottweiler, if the owner trains the dog and disciplines it there not killers, if the owners a lazy piece of shit the dog will be too because that's his owner. yes there still are chances the dog will go ape shit and attack everything in sight without a care in the world, as white foam is coming out its mouth.. but the chances are highly unlikely with a good owner, you have to traon your dog the right way because even after decades as being pets there still animals, any way you spin this its owner who's held responsible.

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This, and this is the direction that legislation and enforcement needs to go.

I've been bit in the face by a pekingnese, and one of my dogs attacked on the sidewalk across the street by a fucking cocker spaniel.

Literally every dog trainer, half the vets and a handful of ACOs I've talked to own pits themselves. these people KNOW dogs. Theyre all wrong? The CDC is wrong? The American Association of veterinarians is wrong? The ASPCA is wrong too? and thats just off the top of my head.
Its a really interesting sociological problem to me but I don't think it's a breed problem.

 

[shirlene29]

empirical evidence and citationings

http://www.adbadog.com/uploads/pdf forms/DowdAPBTbehaviormanuscriptV4.pdf

 

[WoodyO]

its not the breed its the person who raised it is to blame, yes pitbulls can be dangerous but if you raise them right there more friendly around kids then most small dogs. its all stereotypical, like how you see someone cross the street just because some one walking a rottweiler, if the owner trains the dog and disciplines it there not killers, if the owners a lazy piece of shit the dog will be too because that's his owner. yes there still are chances the dog will go ape shit and attack everything in sight without a care in the world, as white foam is coming out its mouth.. but the chances are highly unlikely with a good owner, you have to traon your dog the right way because even after decades as being pets there still animals, any way you spin this its owner who's held responsible.

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Fix your fucking avatard, dammit.

 

[pdaddyII]

empirical evidence and citationings

http://www.adbadog.com/uploads/pdf forms/DowdAPBTbehaviormanuscriptV4.pdf

I trust everything I see and hear on a first account basis more than statistics. This subject actually comes up often in our group of friends who are mostly all ER docs that work all across the state and the opinion is resounding and pit bull horror stories always abound.

 

[WoodyO]

I can't believe I read all 28 pages of that horse shit.

 

[ceo]

How silly of people to "assume" that labs are natural retrievers. I mean whatever would give them that idea?

Maybe is because they are called Labrador Retrievers?? Why would they call them that though? Couldn't be because they bred that retrieving trait into them. That would be just plain silly!