Something my doctor told me in Aug 1999....

[Citruscide]

Right after my second severe shoulder injury my doctor set me down and said something to the effect of ...

"____, you'll never lift heavy again. You shoulder is damaged beyond the repair it would take to support any sort of over head lifting, and especially bench press. Even if you were extremely dedicated in your rehab... it'd be a miracle to function like you are now"

I fired my doctor (or at least stopped going to him, same effect)

Pre-1999 shoulder injury my lifts were:
Bench 305, Barbell row 225 reps of 5, military press 225 reps...

Today
Bench 330, Barbell row 315 reps of 4, Front military on Hammer with 8 total plates 3 reps.

Looks like I'm a fucking Miracle Man.

Moral -- you can do anything that you put your mind to... You can make "miracles" happen... don't let anyone tell you NO and no NOT accept the word CAN'T.

C-ditty

 

[rjl296]

Citruscide= 6 million dolla man

 

[Natural_Teen]

c-ditty i feel yea on that. i had my knee pretty much reconstructed after some dick in lacrosse decided to take a baseball swing at in. I was told blablabla never squat again. I laugh every time i throw on 3 or 4 wheels and do a nice deep set. By the way i was wondering if i could talk to you over aim or msn because i was wondering about the law field and im looking for some advice.
more power to yea c-ditty

 

[Citruscide]

c-ditty i feel yea on that. i had my knee pretty much reconstructed after some dick in lacrosse decided to take a baseball swing at in. I was told blablabla never squat again. I laugh every time i throw on 3 or 4 wheels and do a nice deep set. By the way i was wondering if i could talk to you over aim or msn because i was wondering about the law field and im looking for some advice.
more power to yea c-ditty

My AIM is the same as my name broly

C-ditty

 

[WarriorPL]

Wow your doctor was a fool.
I've had quite a few of those.... i never listened.

 

[argent]

That is a fuck of a pep talk by your doc.

 

[b fold the truth]

Hmmmm...he never mentioned not giving up or training smarter...did he?

He never counted on a few friends that could lead you along the way either...did he?

He never thought that you were this determinded...did he?

B True

 

[Thaibox]

To play devil's advocate

Over the last 10 years or so, I've dealt with knee surgery, back surgery, broken feet, toes, fingers, misc bones, torn tendons, etc. Out of all the doctors I've dealt with I've only come across 2 that have ever actually accepted that they weren't going to change me, showed me and my goals respect, and actually tried to help me get where I wanted to be, no matter how foolish it may have been. I remember both of their names and wrote the hospital admin and directors about them both.

Even after I recoup from this surgery now, I won't ever be able to deadlift heavy again due to major problems with as many as 7 discs. To do so would put me in a wheelchair rather quickly. I still need 2 more surgeries. I have no choice but to obey this part of it. It would be completely idiotic of me to "tough it out." I've done that until now and I fucked my back so bad that I couldn't get it up for several months and didn't know why. They finally told me that the disc damage had done nerve damage in that area and in my legs. So, they cut me the next day. 2 weeks later my girl tested it and I was good to go, woohoo! But that's a hell of a thing to lose at 28 just to be a hardcore badass. Fuck that. They also tell me "don't lift at all," "lose weight and become a swimmer." "Maybe you should do more lightweight high-rep stuff on machines," "You aren't made to be this big"...etc etc blah blah. Well, I'm only limited on pulls from the floor and high squat weight. Everything else I will dominate.

Anyway, my point is
I agree with you C-ditty, I've been telling doctors to go fuck themselves for years. However, at 28 I'm now walking with a cane and awaiting several more surgeries. There is an intelligent compromise in each case. Sometimes the quacks are right, and for you to not investigate further into a potentially serious medical problem and not consider altering your lifting style would be foolish. There's some walls even the toughest of us cannot pass through, no matter how badass we think we are. Of course there's always ways around walls though. If you use your head

 

[Citruscide]

Hmmmm...he never mentioned not giving up or training smarter...did he?

He never counted on a few friends that could lead you along the way either...did he?

He never thought that you were this determinded...did he?

B True

Someone sent me this quote recently

"I once met three guys named pain, sacrifice and suffering... today, we are inseperable friends".

C-ditty

 

[Citruscide]

To play devil's advocate

Over the last 10 years or so, I've dealt with knee surgery, back surgery, broken feet, toes, fingers, misc bones, torn tendons, etc. Out of all the doctors I've dealt with I've only come across 2 that have ever actually accepted that they weren't going to change me, showed me and my goals respect, and actually tried to help me get where I wanted to be, no matter how foolish it may have been. I remember both of their names and wrote the hospital admin and directors about them both.

Even after I recoup from this surgery now, I won't ever be able to deadlift heavy again due to major problems with as many as 7 discs. To do so would put me in a wheelchair rather quickly. I still need 2 more surgeries. I have no choice but to obey this part of it. It would be completely idiotic of me to "tough it out." I've done that until now and I fucked my back so bad that I couldn't get it up for several months and didn't know why. They finally told me that the disc damage had done nerve damage in that area and in my legs. So, they cut me the next day. 2 weeks later my girl tested it and I was good to go, woohoo! But that's a hell of a thing to lose at 28 just to be a hardcore badass. Fuck that. They also tell me "don't lift at all," "lose weight and become a swimmer." "Maybe you should do more lightweight high-rep stuff on machines," "You aren't made to be this big"...etc etc blah blah. Well, I'm only limited on pulls from the floor and high squat weight. Everything else I will dominate.

Anyway, my point is
I agree with you C-ditty, I've been telling doctors to go fuck themselves for years. However, at 28 I'm now walking with a cane and awaiting several more surgeries. There is an intelligent compromise in each case. Sometimes the quacks are right, and for you to not investigate further into a potentially serious medical problem and not consider altering your lifting style would be foolish. There's some walls even the toughest of us cannot pass through, no matter how badass we think we are. Of course there's always ways around walls though. If you use your head

Your story is something dude...

My rundown of injuries
* 2 compresed disks in my back
* 2x severe dislocation in my shoulder
* hairline fracture of wrist, required piece of bone from hip to replace.
* ligament damage in right knee
* stressed achellies tendon
* strained lateral tendon left wrist

I've looked into getting surgery on my shoulder... the docs said it will limit MORE the ROM of my shoulder currently, but it would be alot less likely to dislocate. Since I am smart when I lift, I don't dislocate it anymore. But I am still limited from doing certain exercises... and because I have been scared for so long... I haven't done them... now, that I am training smarter, I am working Around my injury, not through it. My shoulders are pain-free at the end of workouts.

I'm worried about my back. The docs say that if there was severe damage that I'd have nerve problems shooting down into my arms or legs... which I have had ZERO symtoms of (except when wrestling) -- it gets achey... I know there is a problem there... but it never causes anything but a super minor annoyance... never any big pain...

Once I get a health coverage program, I will go and get an MRI... on my back... to find out exactly what sort of damage was done in 1997 and if it will get worse (it has seemed to only get "not worse") Wrestling hurts it, with all the heavy pounding on the mats... and seemed to have aggrevated it.

C-ditty