someone explain to me why iraqi's are only paying 5 cents a gallon for gas

[Razorguns]

Because we'd be stuck with oil longer.

Consume Consumer Consume. Drive the price UP. Only high prices will spur governments and corporations to act to develop alternatives.

True.

But that may take 25 years, and in the meantime -- i'm out $35k extra.

what a lovely lose/lose situation. hehe.

 

[Buddy_Christ]

I noticed and agree 1000%.

Ok, but you asked me what I was doing to help put an end to oil dependency. My 2 gas sipping rice burners are helping out in that endeavor.

If I would've had an extra $10K to spend, I would have looked seriously at the Civic gas/electric hybrid.

If I would've had an extra $20K to spend, I would have looked seriously at the Accord gas/electric hybrid.

The Accord hybrid gets about as good of gas miliage as a non-hybrid Civic (mid to high 30mpg), but puts down over 200hp. The Civic hybrid gets about 50mpg. My 600cc motorcycle can't even compete with that. Under very extreme riding, the motorcycle gets 25-30mpg, maybe even a bit less. Commuting/long trips at legal speeds will get about 40mpg. 40mpg is definetly not bad from a machine capable of 156mph top speed.

 

[Devastation]

there is actually a huge influx of vehicles in iraq right now. when hussein was in power, citizens there actually had to have permission to own a vehicle. now that's changed and everyone has one. the lines to the pumps in iraq are miles long. and as far as iraqi's being dead broke, that's bullshit too. many iraqi's who live in the city have plenty of discretionary spending and built up their savings until the elections there were completed. in the last 3 to 6 months they have started their own stock exchange and have 35 listed publicly traded companies. and no shit that they have advantages over there as far as transportation of oil is concerned, however so do neighboring countries that charge MORE THAN A $1 a gallon. irag's refineries are terribley outdated and dilapidated (sp) and could potentially be pumping out 50% more refined gasoline then they currently are. yes it would cost millions and millions of dollars to bring them up to date, but that would be a better and more feasible option than american's subsidizing 95% of every gallon they pump into their vehicle

the world's reliance on oil is terrible, BUT that's where we are at today. it's fuked how we are going about resolving it

 

[bran987]

I saw on the bloomberg channel not too long ago that prices today are actually lower per gallon if you adjust for inflation than they were during the mid 70's.

yep, inflation adjusted would peg it around $90/barrel as opposed to the current $55 level today.

 

[Whiskey]

it's everywhere over there, plus it is sort of like compensation for all the shit going on

Whiskey

 

[bluepeter]

Ok, but you asked me what I was doing to help put an end to oil dependency. My 2 gas sipping rice burners are helping out in that endeavor.

If I would've had an extra $10K to spend, I would have looked seriously at the Civic gas/electric hybrid.

If I would've had an extra $20K to spend, I would have looked seriously at the Accord gas/electric hybrid.

The Accord hybrid gets about as good of gas miliage as a non-hybrid Civic (mid to high 30mpg), but puts down over 200hp. The Civic hybrid gets about 50mpg. My 600cc motorcycle can't even compete with that. Under very extreme riding, the motorcycle gets 25-30mpg, maybe even a bit less. Commuting/long trips at legal speeds will get about 40mpg. 40mpg is definetly not bad from a machine capable of 156mph top speed.

Good stuff. I'm just saying that this is conservation stuff and we need to initiate action in getting rid of our dependency. Being concientious and conservative won't do that although it's great. Getting some action is obviously the much harder part and I don't pretend to think writing letters is going to get anywhere. It won't stop me from trying to get my voice and those of many others heard though.

 

[bran987]

Good stuff. I'm just saying that this is conservation stuff and we need to initiate action in getting rid of our dependency. Being concientious and conservative won't do that although it's great. Getting some action is obviously the much harder part and I don't pretend to think writing letters is going to get anywhere. It won't stop me from trying to get my voice and those of many others heard though.

there are many companies working on alternative energy though, you know that right? well funded by venture capital or being worked on in house by oil companies today.

there is a serious reward here if you succeed it hasn't gone unnoticed

however, the best alternative energy right now still costs almost 3x to use than oil, and that is WITH government subsidies.

they estimate the technology will take 10-15 years to bring costs in line with oil

however if oil prices were to say, double, that gap would narrow much more quickly.

 

[bluepeter]

there are many companies working on alternative energy though, you know that right? well funded by venture capital or being worked on in house by oil companies today.

there is a serious reward here if you succeed it hasn't gone unnoticed

however, the best alternative energy right now still costs almost 3x to use than oil, and that is WITH government subsidies.

they estimate the technology will take 10-15 years to bring costs in line with oil

however if oil prices were to say, double, that gap would narrow much more quickly.

I know. The more money and research that is put into it, the more alternatives and better solutions will follow. The price will also go down. 10-15 years is a government/oil industry estimate I bet

 

[bran987]

I know. The more money and research that is put into it, the more alternatives and better solutions will follow. The price will also go down. 10-15 years is a government/oil industry estimate I bet

I knew you knew. yew so smart it's like BAM

 

[mountain muscle]

Stop buying huge gas guzzling vehicles you don't need and start writing your elected representatives indicating your desire to see oil dependency end. Until you do that, stop the whining.

No. Please keep buying gas guzzlers you don't need and fill up your tanks every day. Be sure to keep 50 gallons spare in your trunck or truck bed too please. Thank you for your support.

I love having the company I work for pay for my gas, it just warms my heart.