Some Old Timers Talk About Steroids

[Judo Tom]

^^^ i agree.

what ends up happening IMO and i have no studies to back this up but I am going by personal experience and reading peoples posts on here. is your receptors get shot. so 500mg per week of test becomes useless... so you need 1g or 1.5g. or with deca.. 300 a week is no good, so you need 600 or 700 per week.

hmmm honestly i dont know much about recptors getting shot to be honest.

I think another problem is that people try 500mg and then assume 1g must be better. then next time try 1g + another compound and then that cycle just continues.

I also think people go from normal time on = time off to longer cycles with less time off all while upping the dosages and adding more and more compounds.

People also dont take into considration sides and shutdown and everything else. They just keep adding more and more drugs thinking that will fix things.

They never think to focus more on their diet, eat more protein, train harder, rest more .... nope its just more and more drugs.

 

[UA_Iron]

Mentzer:"I took 400mg of Deca Durabolin every 10-14 days,....and no more than five Dianabol a day."

I think I read somewhere else that he was pushing about 6g Deca/week - which I find much more believable.

He was also an amphetamine abuser

 

[UA_Iron]

Andreas Munzer had this written in his log book. I don't know if he actually took it or not, but either way it was in consideration.

Weeks 1-10
ephedrine
aspirin
clenbuterol
valium
captagon-- scheduled 1 drug in the US, meaning no legitimate medical use-- it is an amphetamine-type stimulant--
cytomel

Weeks 1-5
500mg daily of test enanthate
152mg daily of parabolan
150mg daily of dianabol
150mg daily of halotestin
20 IU daily of HGH
20 IU daily of Insulin

Weeks 6-8
300mg daily of masteron
152mg daily of parabolan
250mg daily of winstrol tabs
150mg daily of halotestin
50mg daily of winstrol inj
24 IU daily of HGH

Weeks 9-10
200mg daily of masteron
100mg daily of winny inj
200mg daily of halotestin
400mg daily of winny tabs
24 IU daily of HGH
Insulin daily
IGF-1 daily

Days 1-3 leading up to show
aldactone, lasix

 

[squatzilla]

Unless one is a bodybuilder who competes, I can't see why anyone would run high dosages. Not to knock some guys on here, but when the injectables are into the GRAMS per week..........................

 

[Arabian]

Andreas Munzer had this written in his log book. I don't know if he actually took it or not, but either way it was in consideration.

Weeks 1-10
ephedrine
aspirin
clenbuterol
valium
captagon-- scheduled 1 drug in the US, meaning no legitimate medical use-- it is an amphetamine-type stimulant--
cytomel

Weeks 1-5
500mg daily of test enanthate
152mg daily of parabolan
150mg daily of dianabol
150mg daily of halotestin
20 IU daily of HGH
20 IU daily of Insulin

Weeks 6-8
300mg daily of masteron
152mg daily of parabolan
250mg daily of winstrol tabs
150mg daily of halotestin
50mg daily of winstrol inj
24 IU daily of HGH

Weeks 9-10
200mg daily of masteron
100mg daily of winny inj
200mg daily of halotestin
400mg daily of winny tabs
24 IU daily of HGH
Insulin daily
IGF-1 daily

Days 1-3 leading up to show
aldactone, lasix

Holy S*(&&.. Are you serious? No wonder he dropped dead. Damn

 

[Nelson Montana]

Andreas Munzer had this written in his log book. I don't know if he actually took it or not, but either way it was in consideration.

Weeks 1-10
ephedrine
aspirin
clenbuterol
valium
captagon-- scheduled 1 drug in the US, meaning no legitimate medical use-- it is an amphetamine-type stimulant--
cytomel

Weeks 1-5
500mg daily of test enanthate
152mg daily of parabolan
150mg daily of dianabol
150mg daily of halotestin
20 IU daily of HGH
20 IU daily of Insulin

Weeks 6-8
300mg daily of masteron
152mg daily of parabolan
250mg daily of winstrol tabs
150mg daily of halotestin
50mg daily of winstrol inj
24 IU daily of HGH

Weeks 9-10
200mg daily of masteron
100mg daily of winny inj
200mg daily of halotestin
400mg daily of winny tabs
24 IU daily of HGH
Insulin daily
IGF-1 daily

Days 1-3 leading up to show
aldactone, lasix

Muntzer was hardly an old school guy -- he's very typical of the the modern breed. And he's dead.

 

[stevesmi]

i posted this just this morning on another forum.

After months of stomach pain, Münzer was admitted to hospital on the morning of March 12. By 7pm, doctors had decided to operate to stop bleeding from his stomach, but shortly afterwards his Liver and then kidneys failed. His condition by this point was too severe for a blood transfusion—he died on the morning of March 14, aged 31.[1][2]
The autopsy gave the cause of death as dystrophic multiple-organ-failure.[3] Some of the specific autopsy findings:[3]

• An extremely muscular physique, with an almost complete absence of subcutaneous fat
• Affecting the Liver were numerous table-tennis-ball-sized tumors, typical for doping; half the Liver consisted simply of a crumbly mass, similar to polystyrene (Styrofoam)
• Diminutive testes
• Cardiac hypertrophy (Münzer's heart weighed 636g; a normal man's heart usually weighs 300–350g)

Münzer's electrolytes were also completely out of balance, and his potassium levels were extremely high. Traces of about twenty different drugs were found, along with acute toxicity (perhaps caused by a stimulant).
Schwarzenegger sent a wreath to Munzer's funeral in Styria, with the message 'A last greeting to a friend.'

 

[swm1972]

Theres a video on youtube just type in ricdrasin , hes from the "golden age" of bodybuilding and he interviewed Bill Grant , they said in those days they would take 100 mg test a WEEK and some winstrol , sometimes cytomel, and dianabol as well.. Crazy how these guys got so big with so little but they trained for HOURS , I really dont get how they got that big for training so log on such little juice, even with good genetics training for 3 - 4 hours 5 or 6 times a week seems crazy!

He is mistaken (or full of it) in the dosage he is quoting. 100mg/week is HRT level dosage, you won't get bigger then you would have naturally @ 100mgs/week. Even if you add in 20-30 mgs a day of dbol or winny you won't see astounding gains at natural levels of testosterone. Considering these guys he is referring to had been training for years and had reached their natural potential, I truly doubt a replacement amount of test and a couple dbol a day would have added significant mass.

 

[h.m]

judging by the experience and knowledge of today, the logic tells me they used FAR more drugs than stated. As they dident know stuff like more drugs dont meen more gains like we do today,.
They just tried what worked. So if someone did 20mg of dbol, and found 50mg of dbol to be better, they did 50mg no doubt. -and so on

 

[UA_Iron]

Muntzer was hardly an old school guy -- he's very typical of the the modern breed. And he's dead.

My first comment was on Mike Metzner though... which I speculated was in the range of 6g of deca/day.

Anyone who believes a pro when they say "I just popped a few dbol a day" and got like this is living in dream world.


Munzer's prime was nearly 20 years ago, feelin' a little old?