so finng confused please help!!!!

[tdidd42]

guys just went my nutristioist who knows iam on, and he tried to tell me i put on 11 lbs of fat and lost 13 lbs of muscle. i am 35 6 ft 202 bf aropund 15%
i am on test cyp 1.5 cc a week
winny 1 cc ed, just started everyday for a week
ananvar 2 tabs a day 25mg each

my workouts
on empty stomac i do about 30 minutes of cardio
lift in afternoon, and 2 daya a week hit another 20 minutes after my workout of cardio

diet, i usually start off with a 2 sccop shake and a banana, about 500 calaires and 50 grams of protein
i then 2 hours later take a liguid whey shot 176 calories 42 grams of protein
2 hours later turkey sandwhich on wheat 8 carrots
2 hours later another whey shot
i try and either sneak in another meal or a whey shot
then last meal spinach salad with grilled chicken

i am looking to drop a lot of abdominal fat, and try and put on some lean muscle. i fell like i look better and am strong as hell. on the scale its says i gained 4 lbs. after my meeting the nutristionst i freaked out, now io dont know what to do. he told me do stop trying tyo loose weight and and eat 5k calries a day, but thats not my goal. he is also like 75 so he is old school in regards to diet and workouts. someone please point me in right direction.

 

[xrsist]

you having too many whey shots (whatever the hell they are)
you need to eat more food
what mg per ml is the cyp you have?
why are you running the winny and var together?

 

[tdidd42]

you having too many whey shots (whatever the hell they are)
you need to eat more food
what mg per ml is the testosterone cypionate you have?
why are you running the Winstrol - stanozolol and Anavar - oxandrolone - together?

the whey shots is to help get my protein up, i guess is hould not use them as a food supplemnet. i will snaek in 3 more meals. i was running winny and anavar bc i thought it would accelatrate the fat loss. 150 mg's a week of test is what i am taking. do you think what he said is possible? i know he has fucked with me in the past to make me train harder. again i am really big on the losing ab fat. other than getting more solid meals in, is there anything else is hould be doing? thanks man, i am really depressed about the ruslust i have been training my ass off.

 

[AZMUSCLE]

GET A NEW NUTRITIONIST!! Or better yet, don't use one at all. You can learn EVERYTHING you need to know right here. 150 mgs test/wk is GREAT(if you have a vagina), and you are not eating enough food. I use alot of protein supps too but I also EAT at least 5 solid meals a day. Eat more, up your test to 400 mgs for starters(/week) and keep training and doiong your cardio and you will lose fat and build muscle. Throw in some trenbolone if you can and you'll be set, but FOOD IS KING!!!!!!!

 

[GUARDIAN]

the whey shots come in a large test tube like thing and it is almost the same consistency as jello. they are fruit flavored and are about 176 calories, 42gr protein, 2gr carbs (at least the ones I have seen). they are really only designed to up your protein content of a meal not to be a meal or a pre or post workout shake.

 

[Varga]

I will very blunt here....your diet sucks!
Research and come up with a better diet bro, since you not bulking you should easily be able to eat solid food 5-6x a day without any supps.
You need fish, chicken, beef, patatoes, rice, salads, bread(in limitation), oats, stuff like that....and as mentioned above use the protein shots to supplement meals not replace them.
Another big difference you will see on a cutter is to not eat carbs after 7PM.
Everybody is different but as a starting goal start with 5 meals a day of clean food at 500cal each meal= 2500cal. From there make necessary adjustments either up or down.
I, personally never go below 2500cal on any cutter but that's me
Post another diet and maybe I can help you further or anybody here might have inputs as well.....Breake down your diet so we can see

 

[needtogetaas]

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...ons-about-your-upcoming-cook-book-579868.html

 

[tdidd42]

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thanks guys, i apprecaite the honesty. so looks like i should drop the winny raise test. and 5 solid meals a day, only use whey shots for supplementing a meal. as far as carbs. i was thinking of droping carbs after my third meal or only getting carbs from veggies. thoughts?

 

[Tatyana]

Work out your calories, I would guess they are not enough.

You are what you eat, real food = real muscle.

 

[tdidd42]

makes sense, i guess i always associated cutting calories with burning fat. could a good protein shake supplemnet a meal?

 

[perryscoon]

Due to your nutritionist's age, I doubt he understands your goals as a bodybuilder. I think you should try and find a younger, more fitness oriented nutritionist.

 

[Tatyana]

makes sense, i guess i always associated cutting calories with burning fat. could a good protein shake supplemnet a meal?

No, there is thermogenic property of food, it takes calories to break down foods.

Liquid food does not have this, and it is even thought that the body does not register liquid food calories the same way it registers solid food.

Food is also released more slowly, and real food will always have a better nutrient profile.

Glycaemic index was derived for measuring the impact that food has on the glucose and insulin response in the blood, and this was for single foods.

Whey protein, in particular, whey isolate and whey hydrolysate, will also spike insulin, which is great post workout, but not so great the rest of the day when you want insulin levels to be steady, and allow for some fat to be burned.

Yes you need a calorie deficit to burn fat, however if you are eating far too few calories, your body does not think 'oh he wants to get ripped', it thinks 'oh my god I am starving, quick, get rid of the most metabolically expensive tissue that I have, which is muscle, and better save up on the one tissue I know will ensure my survival, FAT'.

I would get a copy of Tom Venuto's burn the fat, feed the muscle or Chris Aceto's Everything you wanted to know about fat loss.

 

[Tatyana]

I would also like to know the time span between the first measurements and the second, when it appears you have gained fat and lost muscle.

Also, how did he measure these things?

Did he write you this diet, or have you modified it yourself?

 

[Varga]

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thanks guys, i apprecaite the honesty. so looks like i should drop the winny raise test. and 5 solid meals a day, only use whey shots for supplementing a meal. as far as carbs. i was thinking of droping carbs after my third meal or only getting carbs from veggies. thoughts?

What time is your 3rd meal?
I would time meals as follow or whatever works for you but keep the timing so,
Meal 1. 7am
meal2. 10am
meal3. 1pm
meal4. 4pm
meal5. 7pm
meal6. protein snack or salad w/protein

If you eat 5 meals then instead of 3 hours apart eat meals 4 hours apart. Now do you see that 3rd meal is around 1pm at least for me.....do you want to go carbs free the rest of the day? You could but it is not that necessary especially if you do cardio

 

[tdidd42]

thanks guys. i havent seen him nutrisonist for about 6 months and the diet he gave was when i was just to drop body fat and it worked well, was down around 8%. he uses the white scale to pinch body fat, so i do not belive it was that accurate, espcially the stomach i feltthis time he grabbed more, he says my stomach went triple in size, which is impossible just from the way my clothes fit. i agree my diet needs work, and have already cooked up the next two days food. but i just dont belive on what i am taking i lost 11 lbs of muscle. with that said what do you guys recomend for a post workout meal? and would a protein bar, i like parrilo, be better than a shake?

 

[abolish the weak]

thanks guys. i havent seen him nutrisonist for about 6 months and the diet he gave was when i was just to drop body fat and it worked well, was down around 8%. he uses the white scale to pinch body fat, so i do not belive it was that accurate, espcially the stomach i feltthis time he grabbed more, he says my stomach went triple in size, which is impossible just from the way my clothes fit. i agree my diet needs work, and have already cooked up the next two days food. but i just dont belive on what i am taking i lost 11 lbs of muscle. with that said what do you guys recomend for a post workout meal? and would a protein bar, i like parrilo, be better than a shake?

You cannot be getting stronger and losing 11 lbs of muscle. That makes absolutely no sense. And bars and shakes are shit compared to real food unless it's Post Workout. Either way the calorie count in most of them just isn't high enough to call it a meal

 

[tdidd42]

You cannot be getting stronger and losing 11 lbs of muscle. That makes absolutely no sense. And bars and shakes are shit compared to real food unless it's Post Workout. Either way the calorie count in most of them just isn't high enough to call it a meal

thats what i figured i mean my deadlifts have shot up by 90 lbs in six weeks. i couldnt belive he said i lost muscle. another dumb question, but after a workout you guys recomned a shake than a real meal 3 hours after? and is that post workout shake on top of my 5 meals?

 

[Tatyana]

So did he measure your fat with a scale or did he use calipers?

If he used calipers, how many sites did he pinch, or did he only pinch on your stomach?

 

[tdidd42]

So did he measure your fat with a scale or did he use calipers?

If he used calipers, how many sites did he pinch, or did he only pinch on your stomach?

caliber he pinched about 15 spots, he couldnt pinch anything on my triceps so i saw him write down 9. what do you think about a good post work out meal or shake. again thanks so much i owe you huge i really appreciate you taking the time to answer all my questions. i knew and read a lot of stuff but its reassuraing to have it directed towards me persoanlly. and i got burn fat feed muscle. easy down load, i will finsih tonight.

 

[Tatyana]

caliber he pinched about 15 spots, he couldnt pinch anything on my triceps so i saw him write down 9. what do you think about a good post work out meal or shake. again thanks so much i owe you huge i really appreciate you taking the time to answer all my questions. i knew and read a lot of stuff but its reassuraing to have it directed towards me persoanlly. and i got burn fat feed muscle. easy down load, i will finsih tonight.

That is one of the most accurate methods, but it does depend on the skill and accuracy of the the person using them.

Something doesn't sound quite right with his measurements, nor does it sound like he gave you a very good diet.

Finding a diet that works for you can be very individual, it really is about experimenting on yourself to see what works best.

 

[tdidd42]

That is one of the most accurate methods, but it does depend on the skill and accuracy of the the person using them.

Something doesn't sound quite right with his measurements, nor does it sound like he gave you a very good diet.

Finding a diet that works for you can be very individual, it really is about experimenting on yourself to see what works best.

agreed i am about 125 pages down on the bufn fat feed miscle, real good stuff. it does look like about 2,500 calries in 5 to 6 meals is what i need. i do think i am prone to gain weight in stomach so i do think i need to becareful on carbs. thanks again, i will keep yopu posted to my progress.

 

[Varga]

Have a post workout shake for sure, 40g whey protein, 40g simple carbs, 5g glutamine is a typical POW. Consider that 1/2 a meal

i usually take that and add the calories to my last meal of veggies and protein.

so its 4 meals + the 2 half meals =5

 

[Tatyana]

agreed i am about 125 pages down on the bufn fat feed miscle, real good stuff. it does look like about 2,500 calries in 5 to 6 meals is what i need. i do think i am prone to gain weight in stomach so i do think i need to becareful on carbs. thanks again, i will keep yopu posted to my progress.

Your welcome

You may be carb sensitive, but remember not all carbs are the same, and it may change as your body composition changes.

 

[xrsist]

thats what i figured i mean my deadlifts have shot up by 90 lbs in six weeks. i couldnt belive he said i lost muscle. another dumb question, but after a workout you guys recomned a shake than a real meal 3 hours after? and is that post workout shake on top of my 5 meals?

have a protein/carb shake immediately after finishing your training then no more than an hour later have a solid meal

 

[tdidd42]

have a protein/carb shake immediately after finishing your training then no more than an hour later have a solid meal

again guys thanks! i was up all night reading tom ventou's stuff and i think i have my diet pretty well mapped out. i know agree with carbs, i so fing off the mark. looks like my baseline is almost 3,000 calories, so i was pretty far under. the one thing he mentioned was really planning on only losing 1-2 lbs of body fat a week, now on gear, anavar, winny. how much do you think that goes up?

 

[xrsist]

it all depends on your diet really bro

 

[Tatyana]

These are rules of thumb

1 kg/2 lbs fat = 7000 kcals

The ratio of fat/muscle gained lost is 25/75

That means creating a 1000 kcals deficit everyday to burn that fat.

If you lose fat too quickly, you are more likely to also lose some muscle with it, even with steroids.

More muscle (which is what the steroids will do) = more calories burned.

Muscle cannot be built without the basic building blocks of carbs, protein and fat.

Setting up the whole breakdown of fat (catabolism) and building of muscle (anabolism) is a really difficult thing, steroids do help.

This is not an exact science though as everyone is as different inside as they look outside. There are so many factors like thyroid gland output, cortisol levels, the amount and activity of digestive enzymes, the amount and activity of lipoprotein lipase, HMG-CoA, myostatin and follistatin polymorphisms..........I could go on and on.

The body also has a number of homeostatic mechanisms, and it likes thing to be balanced and stable. There is a theory that it has a 'set point' for weight, and probably one for the ratio of muscle to fat.

If any of these change to rapidly, the body will try to balance things out to get back to the previous set point, which is what you witnessed with eating too few calories.

The same applies to putting on loads of muscle, the body just can't deal with the physiological and biochemical demands of a LOT of new muscle.

Bodybuilding is really more about seducing the body into getting it to do what you want it to do, not raping it for a short period of time to get results that will most likely be lost.

Building the perfect beast is all about being patient and consistency.

 

[tdidd42]

i think i got i just read 345 pages from ventous burn fat build muscle, what a great read. thank you tatyana for recomending. i think for my goals carb cycleing maybe the best. my base line is just under 3,000 calries a day. so i figured mon thru weds i will drop to about 2,600 calries with a break down of"
45% protein
30% carbs only eating fiborous carbs after my third meal
25% fat
on the foruth day up calries to 3,000
35% protein
50% carbs
15% fat
days 5 and 6 back down to 2,600 calires and seventh day back up to 3,000 and this is where i would take a cheat meal. i will do this for 4 weeks, then do a more moderate balance.i will try and get all food with 6 meals every 3 hours, although that maybe tough, i was thinking of taking a post work out shake right after a workout then about a half hour later getting a small half meal, thanks for the suggestion guys. what do you guys think? and does anyone have any good ideas for anything besides eggs whites and oatmeal? those are really my first two meals of the day. thanks again guys!