simple question from beginner

[wheatstraw]

I have never taken any AS previously, but have been an athlete all my life. I have new reasons for reconsidering. I am 6'0", 175 lbs. Lean and strong. I do not want to be a Monster. I want to gain perhaps 15-20 lbs, lean and dense, quality that will not dissapear when I cease the cycle(s). Considering Equipoise vs. Deca. I want minimal side effects and am hesitant about stacking for the effects to my endocrine system and nuts. Any advice would be appreciated. I'm leaning toward EQ. Thanks

 

[Dr. M]

Could use EQ, most definitely... takes a while to really kick in, but it provides solid gains with increased vascularity.

Could also use tren, but some people experience some nasty sides... ask around if you want more, as I've never used tren personally.

Primobolan depot (methenolone enanthate) would be something to give you a lean, dense look... but it likely won't give you a 15-20 lb gain in the short-term.

My suggestion would be a stack of Testosterone Enanthate or Cypionate for six to eight weeks, with Winstrol to finish off the last part of the cycle.

For example:
Weeks 1-6 Test Enanthate 500mg EW
Weeks 4-8 Winstrol 50mg ED or 100mg EOD
Appropriate post-cycle therapy.

Good luck!
-M

 

[babbabuee]

I think Dr. M's suggested cycle looks good.

 

[Dr. M]

Thanks B... I try.

-M

 

[jubei]

I don't think M's cycle looks good at all. Winny test is good, but it would be better run like this...IMO of course.

Week 1-10 375-500mg test enth/cyp/sust etc...
Week 8-12 50mg winstrol depot ed

 

[Dr. M]

Since he was hesitant about his "endocrine system and nuts", I didn't think a 12-week cycle was exactly the best idea... but I definitely see your point.

Your version of Winny/Test will give larger gains... but he also menioned he didn't want to be a "monster". 10 solid weeks of test might give him more size than he wants?

At any rate, both approaches are really the same regarding the crossover between test and winstrol - stack both for a couple of weeks at the end of the test/start of the winny.

Good luck!
-M

 

[liftsiron]

Stack or not to stack, that is the question. It doesn't matter if you stack or not any amount of juice in quanity to produce muscle will effect the endocrine system. Your nuts may shrink a little, so what, what do you require big nuts for on a cycle? I would suggest that you stay simple for a first cycle. If I were you I would use between 400 and 500 mg of test by itself. Research hcg and use it for post cycle recovery, bang your all set.

 

[wheatstraw]

Thanks for all the advice! I really don't need to put on all the weight immediately. For example, if i did 8 weeks of EQ, went off for 8 weeks, then did another 8 week cycle - only 2 total, and that's it - what could I expect? I just wanted to keep it simple. Or I could do one deca and one EQ, or 2 deca..... I am 175 & hard now, I would like to eventually hit 190 and be just as hard, remain flexable, and retain the muscle. If it doesn't happen overnight that's fine, probably even better.

 

[JKerry]

For example, if i did 8 weeks of EQ, went off for 8 weeks, then did another 8 week cycle

remember now, if you use eq for 8 weeks, it's still going to be present in your system for another 2-3 weeks, due to it's undecyclenate(sp?) ester.

jkerry

 

[jubei]

Test enth/cyp should be run a minimum of 8 weeks IMHO.