Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I'm in a debate on another board about lifting. One guy is claiming that a guy weighing 190 and benching 350 isn't that impressive. This 190 pound guy isn't me, but I think that in the event that a 190 pounder can lift 160 over his body weight and hit 350 bench is pretty damn good. This other guy is claiming that 300-400 pound bench maxes are nothing. This maybe true for real big guys but what do you consider amazing bench strength? I consider someone that can lift 150 over there body weight to be incredibly strong no matter how much they weigh.
Simple ?, benching 150 over your body weight impressive?
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It is all about weight ratio, but to me just about anyone lifting close to or over 400 is crazy strong. I have only seen a 495 bench twice before and it was buy college football lineman that both weight over 300 pounds. This guy makes it sound like bench weight like that is lifted by every 2 in 5 guys in america.
well......... your not going to win this war. its an opinion, he believes a 300-400lb bench is nothing. you think it is something. so let that be...............i think its wrong to be in porno movies, ron jeremy disagrees............. so thats it, we have our own opinions. and we will not convince each other. so what do you hope to gain by having this guy agree with you??? you have to pick your battles in life, and this is one you should let go........
a wise man once told me this........ opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, and everyone thinks that everybody but theirs stinks.
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a wise man once told me this........ opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, and everyone thinks that everybody but theirs stinks.
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Mike_Rojas
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Just ask yourself this: What percentage of 190 pounders in your gym can bench 350+ ?
In the gym I used to go to, I would say less than 5% of the members could use that kind of weight, and most of them weighed 250+. So that's impressive. Is it impressive on a world record scale? No. Is it impressive at Nazareth Barbell? No. For most gym across the world it is impressive.
In the gym I used to go to, I would say less than 5% of the members could use that kind of weight, and most of them weighed 250+. So that's impressive. Is it impressive on a world record scale? No. Is it impressive at Nazareth Barbell? No. For most gym across the world it is impressive.
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I was talking to Mule about this the other day. We were talking about the different way people measure strength. This was about the time that pwr_machine posted that bigguns had the highest coefficient of just about anyone on the boards...and that is true. Mule looks at strength by how much you can do over your body weight in pounds. This method leaves some of the high Co-E folks in the background.
Even in storngman/woman comps there's debate about whether or not those events are truly the measure of strength.
You could debate it all day long, but that time would be better spent working on being stronger tomorrow than you were today. I don't know about you, but it's enough work kicking my own ass.
Even in storngman/woman comps there's debate about whether or not those events are truly the measure of strength.
You could debate it all day long, but that time would be better spent working on being stronger tomorrow than you were today. I don't know about you, but it's enough work kicking my own ass.
I think this is where the debate of Power Lifter V.S. Bodybuilder comes into play. 150 lbs over body wieght if your 195 or 250 lb is irrelevant if your a bodybuilder. As a PL bodywieght to wieght lifted ratio is more relevant. I will tell you this. I am 190 and my 1rm is 350lb. I dont give a shit what anyone says, that is a great bench.
As a BB if I have a 52 inch chest and am shredded at the same time who cares if I bench 225. Its all how you look at it. Peace
As a BB if I have a 52 inch chest and am shredded at the same time who cares if I bench 225. Its all how you look at it. Peace
Exodus your a monster so for you those numbers are nothing and I've seen your pictures and believe your abilites. This dude is 190 and 6' says 350 and 400 are nothing special. I feel that someone under 200 that thinks those numbers are nothing, is crazy. If a 275 to 300 pound dude said that I'd agree. It's all ratios, small guys can't say or pretend that 300-400 pound benches are easy or weak. On the same side 300 pound dudes shouldn't say that 600 pound benches are small change either.
CobraUTAH said:
thanks for the compliments, that means a lot to me. but belive it or not. i only bench 315 weighing 261. now by this guys numbers i have a very weak bench.
like punch said, i spend 4 years working out for size not strength, thats the biggest reason i look as big as i do, im just now really getting into training for strength. bench is a weak exercise for me, but im working to fix that very very soon.
but its just all person. i think i have a good bench, for me. its the most ive ever benched . so i think its a big bench.
again, thats just my opinon.
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Punch,I would consider you one of the strongest humans on the planet in the bench based on weight to pounds lifted. From the sound of it you remind me of this Army guy that lifts at my gym he is no more than 190 and right at 6'. I've seen him do reps to 4 or five with 315. He doesn't look big at all he's just crazy dense and very very strong. I'm sure he could do a single with close to 350. He can bust out crazy push ups as well something he's been developing over several years in the Army and competing in some sort of Army fitness competition.
spatts said:You guys might be interested in checking the raw federation numbers for the ligther weight classes.
I've done that. Some of those benches are simply incredible.
As for this particular argument, If you're 190 and benching 350, I am impressed. It's almost twice your bodyweight, for Christ's sake. I hope I can do it one day ...
ProteinFiend
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height has MUCH to do with it also. A 6'5 at 190 is going to bench WAY less than a 5'9 at 190. ROM is much less for the shorter individual.
CobraUtah.. Thanks. I think the wieght, for me is good. Im happy with it. I have only done it once and that was a year ago. Now I dont use as much wieght, I lift heavy dont get me wrong, but I havnt maxed in ages and my chest LOOKS better than it ever has. I get much more of a pump getting 8-10 reps on the Incline bench than going for a huge lift. I did it once, that was enough for me. Peace
ProteinFiend
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spatts said:
Are you kidding? There are other factors than just ROM. For example, the sheer fact that the taller person is going to have more bone mass and skin mass puts him at a disadvantage as far as muscle mass %. Thus a 5'9 person weighing 190 has about (just crudely estimating) has the MUSCLE MASS as a 6'5 person at 220.
ProteinFiend said:
at the begining your correct. here is a life lesson. when you have to guys start training together at the same time, weather it be for strength or size, the shortter guy will look bigger and be pushing more weight thatn the taller guy, becuase of him having a greater rom, and having more bone to stretch the muscle over.
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when the time goes by, the taller guy will be bigger and stronger. the strongest guys arent the short guys, and look at the tallest bodybuilders, takes them a heck of a lot longer to fill out but when they do the shorter guy doesnt stand a chance. dont belive me............ why havent lee preist or shawn ray ever won the mr. o???......... becuase they are about 6 inches shorter than ronnie......... now gunter has come from no where the last 3 years and gotten hhhhhhhhhuuuuuugggggeee....... and he's about 4 inches taller than ronnie, and he makes ronnie look small.....
bigger arms and legs, are just bigger leavers
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In your original post you say it's because he's taller. Then in your second post you say it's because of the weight at different heights. Success in the bench press depends on technique. Some people have their legs out in front, some tuck and arch. You can have a guy with long legs that has barney arms and a long torso...so he can arch up high and use his little 3 " bench stroke to get the job done. Being a woman, I can think of a lot of men that are taller than me, but weigh the same thing (same LBM), and bench more...I can also think of many who bench less. You can have all the mass in the world, but if you can't recruit it, you're worthless. Height is about the least important factor. If you're using your legs to bench, depending on set up, short or long legs can both be a disadvantage/advantage. No one factor is determinant, especially when you factor in mental strength.
Since I'm 5'9" I will use myself as an example. I have 160 pounds of lean mass (by hydro and 7 site caliper). Likewise, a person 6'5" and 220 can be 20% fat or 5% fat...makes a difference in what he can bench. Composition, even when accurate and optimal, is still just one of many factors. I mean you're 7 inches taller than me, and weigh about the same...so you should bench a lot less than me, right? But wait, you have 15 more pounds of LBM, so you bench more? Let's say I have better technique and I'm more focused...now who benches more?
Since I'm 5'9" I will use myself as an example. I have 160 pounds of lean mass (by hydro and 7 site caliper). Likewise, a person 6'5" and 220 can be 20% fat or 5% fat...makes a difference in what he can bench. Composition, even when accurate and optimal, is still just one of many factors. I mean you're 7 inches taller than me, and weigh about the same...so you should bench a lot less than me, right? But wait, you have 15 more pounds of LBM, so you bench more? Let's say I have better technique and I'm more focused...now who benches more?
Exodus said:
You could add Franco Columbu to that list. He was awesome, but Arnold's height-weight advantage just killed him onstage, like at the '75 O.
To nitpick, I wouldn't go so far as to say that the taller guys are invariably stronger once they "fill out." Franco was still stronger than Arnold. Eddie Coan's no slouch, either, capable of going pound-for-pound with many much taller, heavier top powerlifters.
Just as sure, though, to say shorter guys will always be stronger is a little silly. We've seen plenty of absolute goliaths who put up incredible numbers too
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I keep reading all the time that bodybuilders almost never max out. For me maxing out is a part of weightlifting, I don't how I would be able to resist maxing out. It is just part of weightlifting, in my opinion
guldukat said:
arnold and franco are one of the best examples i can think of.
but franco cared a lot more about strength than arnold did. they both trained for it, but just arnold was competing in bodybuilding from the time he was 16 where as franco was a powerlifter and then turned bodybuilder after he was in his 20's. arnold was strong and did train for strength, just not as much as franco. plus they were bodybuilders.
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This thread and the one on my other board have done one thing for me at least and that's motivate me to increase my bench to something respectable. After all these years of lifting I'm still half as strong as all the little guys on this other board that weigh less than 170 and lift well over 300. Is anyone else as skepticle as me? I'm the kind of person that has to see it to believe it. I certainly have my faith, but when it comes to lifting or such physical abilities especially when posted online I need a video for proof.
I think benching 150% of your bodyweight makes you pretty damn strong.
CobraUTAH. Really, it's hard to believe people over the internet, especially on that other site, I saw the thread. After a year and 3 months, my bench went from 180 to 305, but I also gained 35lbs of weight too. (155 to 190) Now I can bench 325 at 195ish.
CobraUTAH. Really, it's hard to believe people over the internet, especially on that other site, I saw the thread.
After a year and 3 months, my bench went from 180 to 305, but I also gained 35lbs of weight too. (155 to 190) Now I can bench 325 at 195ish.
JollyRogers
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Im 214lbs@ 5"9 and can bench 365 without leg drive ie: legs on rest peddel, I can also rep out 6-7 reps with 315.
It took me 8 months of working out since feb to get this, this is my first year of weight lifting/bb since 1999-00, Im also natrual.
Not bragging ... just pointing out that anything is possible.
It took me 8 months of working out since feb to get this, this is my first year of weight lifting/bb since 1999-00, Im also natrual.
Not bragging ... just pointing out that anything is possible.
cheesecake
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Just curious spatts, but which federations are raw?spatts said:You guys might be interested in checking the raw federation numbers for the ligther weight classes.
...chad...
matto18
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hell most fatass american males can't even bench their body weight. i just think THAT should be something someone ought to be able to be proud of, especially in this day and age...
if he were a bber in the otherhand.. he's a pussy.
anyone who is 190 lb and can bench 350 has my props. calling that unimpressive is idiotic. i wouldn't call it amazing, but i would give whoever can do that the props they deserve.
if he were a bber in the otherhand.. he's a pussy.
anyone who is 190 lb and can bench 350 has my props. calling that unimpressive is idiotic. i wouldn't call it amazing, but i would give whoever can do that the props they deserve.
190lb benching even 315 is good. Guys, its not rocket science. If a guy on sauce wieghing 190lb puts up 350lb, then Im NOT impressed, natural however is amazing. Hey, any of you who could " Legitimately" bench 150lb over your bodywieght naturally, who gives a shit what anyone else says, just be able to back it up.
matto18
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even some dude in the weight room who is benching half his bodyweight atleast gets some of MY respect: atleast he's trying to do something about it, rather than sit around and feed his face like 80% of other americans...
god the usa should be changed to the uffa (united fat-fucks of america)
god the usa should be changed to the uffa (united fat-fucks of america)
Lord_Suston
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150 over body weight, it is good IMO for almost any size
psychedout
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I would without a doubt say that a 190 pound guy benching 350 is very impressive.
Some body structures are made for things like that.
I know a guy who weighs 205 and benches 355x5..... unfuckingbelievable.
Some body structures are made for things like that.
I know a guy who weighs 205 and benches 355x5..... unfuckingbelievable.
The guy I train with does 365 for 5.5 reps unassisted and 400 unassisted and is only 185. I have to respect that shit. He uses major arch ,ass off the bench really tight belt and probabally bouncing too, but I cant do it haha.
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CobraUTAH said:
dunno......there are 6 guys at my gym who hit 200 over bdywt.
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