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6 unanswered elbows to the noggin without him lifting a finger to defend himself and he calls it a premature stoppage? He wasn't going anywhere except to the morgue if the fight wasn't stopped. I'm sure these fights are big, easy money for Tito, but they will make him soft. How is Tito going to handle a real war when these easy fights create a kind of ring rust because he just blows through Shamrock?
 
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
6 unanswered elbows to the noggin without him lifting a finger to defend himself and he calls it a premature stoppage? He wasn't going anywhere except to the morgue if the fight wasn't stopped. I'm sure these fights are big, easy money for Tito, but they will make him soft. How is Tito going to handle a real war when these easy fights create a kind of ring rust because he just blows through Shamrock?
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Yeah, tito said on tv he was supposed to get a title shot, but this came up. "Whatever the fans want..." he said. I'm sure he's pretty disappointed about it himself. I'd rather have the title shot, too, if I was him instead of fighting shamrock again. Its probably Dana White jacking him around again.
 
megamania500 said:
Yeah, tito said on tv he was supposed to get a title shot, but this came up. "Whatever the fans want..." he said. I'm sure he's pretty disappointed about it himself. I'd rather have the title shot, too, if I was him instead of fighting shamrock again. Its probably Dana White jacking him around again.
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With Silva out of the picture, Couture retired, and Horn fighting at 185, if Liddell makes it trough Babalu, who's next in contention to fight Liddell? Maybe Griffin if he gets through Bonnar? Van Arsedale? It's probably Tito.
 
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
With Silva out of the picture, Couture retired, and Horn fighting at 185, if Liddell makes it trough Babalu, who's next in contention to fight Liddell? Maybe Griffin if he gets through Bonnar? Van Arsedale? It's probably Tito.
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You're right, its a weak division, I'd rather see Bispring fight than any of those guys though.
 
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I agree....as much as I think that the fight was stopped way too prematurely....I don't want to see this again. It's obvious that Shamrock is just not strong enough at that weight to compete with ortiz. I never liked shamrock dropping to 205.....he was an animal at 225-230
 
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
With Silva out of the picture, Couture retired, and Horn fighting at 185, if Liddell makes it trough Babalu, who's next in contention to fight Liddell? Maybe Griffin if he gets through Bonnar? Van Arsedale? It's probably Tito.
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Why is Silva out of the picture? Silva vs. Liddell thats the fight we need to see and settle once and for all who the best 205 in the world is. Don't give me any of that bullshit about jackson beat liddell and silva beat jackon or tito beat silva and liddell beat tito. These guys now, not then are at the top of their game and their isnt really anyone else that can compete with either one of them at 205.
 
norsemuscle said:
Why is Silva out of the picture? Silva vs. Liddell thats the fight we need to see and settle once and for all who the best 205 in the world is. Don't give me any of that bullshit about jackson beat liddell and silva beat jackon or tito beat silva and liddell beat tito. These guys now, not then are at the top of their game and their isnt really anyone else that can compete with either one of them at 205.
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Negotiations between the UFC and Pride fell through. My half baked theory is that Pride was going to use Liddell vs. Silva to hype one of their stars in the US as they are looking to make a splash in the US. They even recently held US trials for fight contracts. Recently Pride signed Mike Tyson though. Why risk chancing your middleweight champ getting an asskicking for US promotion when you now have the US's most recognizable combat sport athelete to promote you? The UFC also has egg all over their face as Dana White anounced this as a done deal at UFC 61.

Of course in the end it's all about the money. Maybe there just isn't enough cash in the can to make it attractive to Pride and/or the UFC.
 
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
Negotiations between the UFC and Pride fell through. My half baked theory is that Pride was going to use Liddell vs. Silva to hype one of their stars in the US as they are looking to make a splash in the US. They even recently held US trials for fight contracts. Recently Pride signed Mike Tyson though. Why risk chancing your middleweight champ getting an asskicking for US promotion when you now have the US's most recognizable combat sport athelete to promote you? The UFC also has egg all over their face as Dana White anounced this as a done deal at UFC 61.

Of course in the end it's all about the money. Maybe there just isn't enough cash in the can to make it attractive to Pride and/or the UFC.
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Is Tyson gonna be fighting in Pride sometime soon? I saw that he was ringside at the Liddell fight last night. It's kinda scary to think of what sort of things he might resort to outta frustration during ground fighting. I seriously wouldn't be suprised to see someone get a finger put through their eye, or have their nose bitten off. And I'm saying that seriously, as a Mike Tyson fan.
 
Yea, that's right. A bunch of whores who will do anything for money. Forget about the real fights. Let's just have Shamrock fight Tito again so that he could rip off the last leaf on that Shamrock. WTF? In the meantime, Pride is signing Tyson? For what? Is he really going to fight or do some boxing? If he really fights, he'll get his ass handed to him while he chews up the opponents ear. Funny shit. I can't wait.
 
UFC is turning into a dissapointing sport. If you look at the payouts from 61.. Tito got 200k (plus ppv $) while the main event fighters (Andrei and Tim) got around 100k each. That just shows the directions it's going in. Tito still has unfinished buisness with Forrest if anything. And honestly speaking ( a paying fan ) i'm sick of seeing Tito shoot and ground and pound. It took Forrest one round to figure out how to avoid his shoot and all of sudden they are talking about him vs lidell. BS! All in all if Tito can make it through another Forrest fight un scathed then let him fight lidell so he can get his Ass handed to him.
 
karachi183 said:
UFC is turning into a dissapointing sport. If you look at the payouts from 61.. Tito got 200k (plus ppv $) while the main event fighters (Andrei and Tim) got around 100k each. That just shows the directions it's going in. Tito still has unfinished buisness with Forrest if anything. And honestly speaking ( a paying fan ) i'm sick of seeing Tito shoot and ground and pound. It took Forrest one round to figure out how to avoid his shoot and all of sudden they are talking about him vs lidell. BS! All in all if Tito can make it through another Forrest fight un scathed then let him fight lidell so he can get his Ass handed to him.
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UFC= U Fight Cheap.
 
wwebound4life said:
Ortiz made fucking 210,000 for that quick fight, and hell, Shamrock made 100,000!

Not to shabby!



http://www.completemartialarts.com/whoswho/ufc/ufc61money.htm


TRAIN, EAT, LIVE LIKE AN ANIMAL!! :evil: :evil:
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The undercard payouts are pathetic. $2000? Even $12000. You have to realize training to fight incurs expenses. You have to pay your trainers and cornermen. Hopefully fighters don't also pay travel and lodging expenses for the event. How can the UFC expect to fighters to perform at their peak when they have to hold fulltime jobs while in training camp. I bet if you crunch the numbers, subtracting expenses, at the end of the event many fighters lost money for competing.

I reiterate: UFC= U F ight C heap.
 
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
The undercard payouts are pathetic. $2000? Even $12000. You have to realize training to fight incurs expenses. You have to pay your trainers and cornermen. Hopefully fighters don't also pay travel and lodging expenses for the event. How can the UFC expect to fighters to perform at their peak when they have to hold fulltime jobs while in training camp. I bet if you crunch the numbers, subtracting expenses, at the end of the event many fighters lost money for competing.

I reiterate: UFC= U F ight C heap.
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I love the UFC and find PRIDE a little boring, but I agree the payouts are pretty weak. Take the 400,000 the gave Grampa Gracie and spread that money out to some legit fighters.
 
truckdaddy said:
i heard forest made less than 10k for his recent fight.
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Saturday's card drew 10,419 to the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas, for a paid gate of $3,040,880. The UFC does not divulge pay-per-view figures (the card cost $39.99 Cdn to watch north of the border) but MMAWeekly.com, which follows the sport, reported in July that pay-per-view sales for UFC 60: Hughes vs. Gracie generated at least $23.97 million.

That, coupled with a live gate of $2.9 million that night, made the May 27 Matt Hughes-Royce Gracie showdown the UFC's biggest haul to date with revenue of at least $26.87 million (figures for UFC 61 were not yet available when MMAWeekly ran its piece).

Contrast those big-ticket figures with what the fighters earned Saturday night.

According to information provided yesterday by the Nevada State Athletic Commission, the UFC paid the 18 fighters on the card a total of $407,000 -- with $250,000 of that going to light-heavyweight champion Chuck (The Iceman) Liddell for stopping Brazil's Renato (Babalu) Sobral in 95 seconds in the main event.

Usually UFC fighters get a fee for fighting and a bonus if they win. Liddell did not get a win bonus, according to the Athletic Commission records, but he likely will get a lucrative cut of the pay per view. The UFC declined comment, saying it does not discuss fighter contracts.

Sobral, meanwhile, earned a modest $21,000 for his troubles. Had he won, he would have picked up another $21,000.

In the co-main event, Forrest Griffin collected $32,000 for his victory over Stephan Bonnar -- $16,000 plus a $16,000 win bonus. Bonnar left with $16,000.


http://winnipegsun.com/Sports/OtherSports/2006/08/29/1783236-sun.html
 
They take care of their fighters in other ways, things off the books....wink wink! And they should. It's not so easy just to pay guys more....the UFC is still hampered by the way our government regulates them. I beleive, when it's all counted up, that the UFC ends up paying more to state, local and fed. governments just for the "privilege" of doing business. It's horseshit...and certainly not capitilist at all. If the UFC were to be unfettered by our relentless government hounds that our out for "our protection"....I honestly beleive boxing would be a distant memory and MMA type leagues would be "flourishing" all over the country.
 
redsamurai said:
They take care of their fighters in other ways, things off the books....wink wink! And they should. It's not so easy just to pay guys more....the UFC is still hampered by the way our government regulates them. I beleive, when it's all counted up, that the UFC ends up paying more to state, local and fed. governments just for the "privilege" of doing business. It's horseshit...and certainly not capitilist at all. If the UFC were to be unfettered by our relentless government hounds that our out for "our protection"....I honestly beleive boxing would be a distant memory and MMA type leagues would be "flourishing" all over the country.
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love under the table
 
When those Leagues start Kicking Back and reach the level of Corruption thtBoxing has , then youll see them "Flourishing" (or rather , the local govts backing off them) the way yould like .

Gvt corruption is nothing new , man .
 
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