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InGreatShape
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what martial arts could be easily learned that i could use for self defense???
Self defense?
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out of he box?
A few years ago, i think it was in blackbelt magazine, one of the writers for that magazine was in a street fight or bar fight.. some kinda fight... lol
anyway the guy kicked his ass.... and it turned out the guy was a noob muay thai boxer. so I feel the same as the writer, that you could learn useful techniques in a short period of time with muay thai.
Im an aikidoka , or aikido student, for the past twenty years. this discipline is truly a discipline.. haha... its not something you go to the dojo a few times a week and learn as a form of self defense.... it takes a very long time to develop proper technique ... sometimes a few years.
A few years ago, i think it was in blackbelt magazine, one of the writers for that magazine was in a street fight or bar fight.. some kinda fight... lol
anyway the guy kicked his ass.... and it turned out the guy was a noob muay thai boxer. so I feel the same as the writer, that you could learn useful techniques in a short period of time with muay thai.
Im an aikidoka , or aikido student, for the past twenty years. this discipline is truly a discipline.. haha... its not something you go to the dojo a few times a week and learn as a form of self defense.... it takes a very long time to develop proper technique ... sometimes a few years.
cgar1228
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i agree with Muay Thai being one of the best for these purposes. ANY kind of sparing will help you freak out less in a self defense situation. All the moves are great but until you put them into practical applications (sparing), they will be useless.
SofaGeorge
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Simplest and most effective... boxing.
You will learn more in 6 weeks boxing training than any other martial art.
You will learn more in 6 months of boxing training that you can use and apply than any other martial art.
After a year in boxing, you could even actually be half way decent. Not great... but you would absolutely use and abuse anyone who doesn't train regularly or fight often.
You can't say that about any other martial art... bjj, judo, muay thai, karate, etc... all have a higher learning curve than boxing.
And, no matter how long you study different martial arts styles... in the end everybody comes back to boxing because for stand up it is the simplest and most directly effective fighting style there is.
Lots of people will chant the mantra "all fights go to the ground." I haven't had anyone take me to the ground yet in a street fight... and the guys at my club who have done it have a black belt in bjj or judo. Everybody who fights today trains stand up and ground... and we always tell kids to train stand up first. It's much more valuable to get striking down before you even think of trying to get a ground game. It's like learning to ride a bike before you get a car.
You will learn more in 6 weeks boxing training than any other martial art.
You will learn more in 6 months of boxing training that you can use and apply than any other martial art.
After a year in boxing, you could even actually be half way decent. Not great... but you would absolutely use and abuse anyone who doesn't train regularly or fight often.
You can't say that about any other martial art... bjj, judo, muay thai, karate, etc... all have a higher learning curve than boxing.
And, no matter how long you study different martial arts styles... in the end everybody comes back to boxing because for stand up it is the simplest and most directly effective fighting style there is.
Lots of people will chant the mantra "all fights go to the ground." I haven't had anyone take me to the ground yet in a street fight... and the guys at my club who have done it have a black belt in bjj or judo. Everybody who fights today trains stand up and ground... and we always tell kids to train stand up first. It's much more valuable to get striking down before you even think of trying to get a ground game. It's like learning to ride a bike before you get a car.
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ALIN
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what martial arts could be easily learned that i could use for self defense???
IMO I would have to say MUAY THAI. Very effective in a street situation.
Ezekiel
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Uhmmm.. I'll politely disagree on some of your points..
While it is true that boxing can be effective standing up, so can Mauy thai. WHich imho is way better. Both can be learned half ass in a short amount of time as well.. That being said; anything worth wile takes time to learn effectively... Now if you're just looking to kick ppls asses then whatever, but in terms of "self defense" especially for smaller ppl and woman, some form of BJJ is needed. Sure it takes time to learn, but ppl should make defending themselves a priority. Just learning a stand up art for defense doesn't make alot o sense unless you can convince your attacker to rape you standing up!
Now in fairness I am a Jits coach at an mma gym so my view is some what tainted.
Blessings,
theflyingdragon
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I was in kenpo karate for 20 years and it was great art. Pretty easy to learn and quite effective.
The place I was trained also taught boxing, kick bocking, Tai fighting and Muay Thai fighting.
What you want to do is find a school and research it. Also don't pick one standardized art. Learn multiple. Like the master Bruce Lee once said.
“Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.”
Good luck on your search for a art and school.
The place I was trained also taught boxing, kick bocking, Tai fighting and Muay Thai fighting.
What you want to do is find a school and research it. Also don't pick one standardized art. Learn multiple. Like the master Bruce Lee once said.
“Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.”
Good luck on your search for a art and school.
lance_wininger
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Self defence is best form of attack
Ive been doing taekwondo for the past few years which is actually a korean form of 'Self defence'. I think it was easy to pick up and it boosted my confedence within 2 years if doing it i've won the welsh championships, british championships and a few local copetitions, all for sparring.
Try it !!!!
Try it !!!!
CoBra666
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boxing and muay thai are good options. i also think kyokushin karate would be very good. u do spend some time in class doing stupid katas but its 90% combat. u cant punch to the head but its bare fist, bare shins and can get pretty damn brutal. even in just a sparring session. and although i never tried jeet kun do i would probably say that. bruce lee created it out of everything he studied. the point of it was to be simple and effective> bottom line.
As a current practitioner of Krav Maga, and I would have to recommend it as one of the best systems for self defense or any real fighting. I lived in Japan for 10 years, 7 of which were on Okinawa where I studied Uechi Ryu heavily and some GoJu Ryu and some familiarity with Shorin Ryu. Krav Maga has been great for me, fast easy to learn and focused on what the goal is and doing it in a stressed, tired environment often with mulitple attackers. No Katas. It is not an "art" per se. It is a mixed martial art taking elements from Boxing, Muay Thai, Jiu Jitsu, Karate and other styles. The systems builds on itself from day one and is very very well thought out. There is a large focus on intensity and aggression because most people you will have to defend yourself from cannot fight for more than 30-45 seconds without tiring so they will insure that you can direct punches, kicks and other attacks at 100% power and aggression for at least 1 minute. I would recommend taking at good look at it.
^^^^Best answer. Or get a gun.
I don't care how well trained the person is, if they're more than 10 feet away, their ass is getting shot. And if they're closer, all the more reason to carry a knife.
Do you have any evidence to support this?
CoBra666
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yes cuz i keep evidence of such stupid things on me all the time. its been tested by numerous groups of sports science ppl. and regardless of that fact. one of the first things in martial arts u are taught is any weapon u could possibly use on someone else u should expect the same in return. so say im as big a fucking pussy as u and i need a gun to back up my mouth just like u, what would u do then?
you dont have to 'fully' draw your weapon to get a decent shot at 15ft.
basically you get the gun clear of the holster and start pointing it towards your target and start squeezing as you fire you continue your draw and aim.
much much faster than a full draw. basically your hand is still on your hip when you fire the first shot.
with practice it is definitely accurate enough.
problem is you are rarely in a situation where someone is 10-15 ft away from you. most of the time think 5 ft tops. that is super tough... but again there are techniques and tactic for that.
bottom line you need MULTIPLE ways to defend yourself. you need to know how to puch, how to kick, how to use a gun, a knife, etc etc
the more you know the more prepared you are.
If you make a statement and declare it as a fact, it helps to have proof to back it up.
Like who? And Steven Seagal doesn't count.
I'd wager that most people realize that regardless of martial arts experience.
In your dreams, pal!
Hope I draw faster. And really, I don't need a gun to back up my mouth, as I don't go out acting like a meathead picking fights with people. Never have, never will. The whole point of this thread was determining what the best method of self defense is, and I simply gave my opinion based on my own perception of reality, as opposed to some nonsense about martial arts "experts" being able to kick an armed man's ass from 15 feet away.
CoBra666
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i dont care if u or anyone else believes anything i say, ive read about it, ive seen some stupid show on discovery channel (not mythbusters either) prove it to be true. some sports science show not steven segal. i think alot of young guys dont realize that what they have can also be used against them. ive seen first hand how ppls balls grow when they buy a gun or brass knuckles or any sort of weapon, you think it would be common sense but it seems most ppl lack that, especially mixed with a little booze. no its not my dream to be as big a pussy as you. and in my opinion anyone who needs a knife or gun to back them up is a pussy. yeh maybe when i was younger ive acted like an asshole and started pointless fights. thats why i stopped drinkin and only fight in comps. i would rather get my ass kicked than risk my life, someone elses life, or risk going to jail. noone needs to walk around with a gun or knife. i dont see why "experts" is in quotations since i am sure the people in the studies were probably experts since most untrained ppl could hardly win a fight, on top of disarming a weapon. and your opinion on weapons, be it right or wrong is just awesome in a martial arts forum when someone is specifically asking about martial arts
Well if a stupid show said so, then it must be true.
Does that include people who keep weapons in their house for home defense?
Thanks.
CoBra666
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you know what dude, im just gona apologize for getting irrate and defensive. everyone has there own opinion. ive shared mine on weapons. i have had 1 really close friend, 1 normal friend and one guy i didnt like get stabbed numerous times by some little fucks for a gang initiation so i get a little short tempered. on a much smaller note a chick stuck a fork in my shoulder for beating up her bf after i shot there tent with a potato gun. and workin in a bar in my late teens ive seen many drunk tough guy wannabes try and stab ppl with broken beer bottles and anything they can get there hands on. i do understand that anything can be proven true or false. i have indeed read and seen a few items that apparently prove within 15 feet a trained martial artist can get to u before u can draw. but im sure on the other hand a well trained gunman could draw faster than someone could get to them. up here in canada every person on the block doesnt own a weapon. i dont even think a single person i know does have one. i am guessing ur american where guns are the norm. and if thats ur way, thats ur way. so ill just apologize for being childish, leave it at everyone has there own opinion and that is that. yes a bullet/blade is mightier than the fist if the range is there to withdraw and fire, otherwise ur leaving urself wide open for an attack by reachin to whereevr your weapon is. u want the perfect defense. learn muay thai/ krav maga or whatever and carry a weapon. take aikido and learn how to use that weapon even more efficiently
Fair enough. And I'll apologize for taking part in a retarded flame war. Thing is, I get irritated when people talk, in my opinion, unrealistically about self defense. I'm not anti martial arts. I've even trained them at different points in my life. I enjoyed them, and they definitely have their place. But any credible martial artist will tell you that there's really no way to defend against multiple attackers. I'm sorry to hear about your friends being stabbed, but in my opinion, and I'm not trying to be a smart ass here, that's all the more reason to arm yourself.
CoBra666
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yeh i understand, i just looked at the question from a straight on martial arts perspective. or at least that was my interpretation of the question asked. depending on where u r in the world makes a large difference too. im from a small mountain town in canada population 10,000 if that, where other than the weekend bar fight where the 2 combatants will be drinking together again the very next week there is nothing for violence. in the last 25 years as far as i can remember this is the only thing ever like that to happen. and since hunting is illegal in this area due to all the provincial/federal parks noone really owns a gun, at least of those that i know anyways. now in the cities to the east its always in the papers of stabbings and shootouts. and im sure if your american in the much larger cities its even worse than there. africa u probably have a gun as soon as you could walk
Just for fun I guess I will state my perspective on this issue. In Krav we train weapon defenses such as guns, knives, sticks and other expedient weapons that may be used on you in a terrorist/hostage situation or bar fight or getting mugged at your car, home etc. From my experiences with the defenses and working as the attacker and trying to make the defense fail I will say that it is entirely possible that you could get shot, especially at 15 ft. that being said it is also very easy to defend a gun, much easier than a knife. It does take some practice and there are small details that you have to be aware of to make a defense be solid. In all fairness though if someone wants to kill you they will its as easy as walk up and pull the trigger. there is no defense for that. Normally a person who is waving a gun in your face primarily wants something you have or wants you to go somewhere and that weapon is thier power. In that situation a moderately trained martial artist can disarm that individual pretty easily.
We practice with shock knive and other training tools to show mistakes and allows people to see the line of fire and it has been tested for gun disarms at 20 ft. I have even practiced with airsoft weapons etc and disarming is not an incredibly difficult thing. This is situational as are all fights, you can argue both sides, there have been many times in training where I lost the battle and had it been real life I would be dead or seriously injured. I think the point is to protect yourself from thugs and criminals who are obvioulsy not training or even prepared for your defenses.
My problem with Firearms is this: I don't want to rely on a deadly weapon to solve my situations and I have to wonder about pulling a weapon on somebody who gets in my face about a parking space or for the 50 bux thats in my wallet. I am never going to be the aggressor in a situation like that and I am not sure if it is worth killing someone over it and dealing witht the courts.
I feel fine knowing that in "most" situations I can handle what comes along and still come out on top.
I found one study about the 21 foot rule if somebody really wants to look into and actually study done on disarming attackers and the time it takes to do it.
The 21-foot rule (often called the Tueller Drill) was a test originally performed by Sgt.Dennis Tueller of the Salt Lake City, Utah police department that showed someone with a knife charging at an officer with a gun could cover an amazing 21 feet in the same time an experienced officer could pull his gun and fire 2 quick rounds. A sobering thought for those who think having a gun solves everything.
We practice with shock knive and other training tools to show mistakes and allows people to see the line of fire and it has been tested for gun disarms at 20 ft. I have even practiced with airsoft weapons etc and disarming is not an incredibly difficult thing. This is situational as are all fights, you can argue both sides, there have been many times in training where I lost the battle and had it been real life I would be dead or seriously injured. I think the point is to protect yourself from thugs and criminals who are obvioulsy not training or even prepared for your defenses.
My problem with Firearms is this: I don't want to rely on a deadly weapon to solve my situations and I have to wonder about pulling a weapon on somebody who gets in my face about a parking space or for the 50 bux thats in my wallet. I am never going to be the aggressor in a situation like that and I am not sure if it is worth killing someone over it and dealing witht the courts.
I feel fine knowing that in "most" situations I can handle what comes along and still come out on top.
I found one study about the 21 foot rule if somebody really wants to look into and actually study done on disarming attackers and the time it takes to do it.
The 21-foot rule (often called the Tueller Drill) was a test originally performed by Sgt.Dennis Tueller of the Salt Lake City, Utah police department that showed someone with a knife charging at an officer with a gun could cover an amazing 21 feet in the same time an experienced officer could pull his gun and fire 2 quick rounds. A sobering thought for those who think having a gun solves everything.
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if you are a boxer with 2years of training and great hands a good chin... watch out for the high school wrestler who can shoot in quick and take you down... then what?
Being well rounded is very important for SELF DEFENSE. Again Self Defense means "I GO HOME SAFE" not I am going to destroy you and look cool doing it.
Being well rounded is very important for SELF DEFENSE. Again Self Defense means "I GO HOME SAFE" not I am going to destroy you and look cool doing it.
I Agree, you need to learn ground fighting and defenses from common attacks on the ground as well as how to escape, get back on your feet and get the heck out of there. Only learning standup is only learning half the game and it leaves you open for a number of attacks. In my experience , big guys like to charge in on you and try to push you over or tackle you. If you have a 200 pound guy on top of you it is a lot to work with, knowing how to defend the takedown and what to do if you end up there anyway can save your life.
tim.johnson717
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what martial arts could be easily learned that i could use for self defense???
Boxing. If you're in a good state of health,you'll learn the basics in 3 months and you'll be able to defend yourself against some drunk roghneck (of course, if he isn't well-trained). If you haven't done any serious exercise before, you'll probably need half an year or so. Judging by my own experience, I believe boxing is the most effecient and easy-to-learn.
In addition you can learn some wrestling holds, but they require more strenght and not so efficient if you fight with two or more attackers.
tim.johnson717
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So, bodygards, security officers, military men... also?
And could you fight with 5-6 attackers?
tim.johnson717
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I doubt efficiency of krav maga.
CoBra666
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you're taking this out of context you dumb fuck. Also go fight someone from the military and see if they pull a knife on you.
100mg winnie a day...
jk. old joke..
sprints, wind sprints specifically..
with flash mobs and group violence, its your 1st choice..
if attacked running away/escape is your best option and your quickest to learn..
with that said, it take 7 lbs of pressure to rip off the human ear and it bleeds alot..
jk. old joke..
sprints, wind sprints specifically..
with flash mobs and group violence, its your 1st choice..
if attacked running away/escape is your best option and your quickest to learn..
with that said, it take 7 lbs of pressure to rip off the human ear and it bleeds alot..
tim.johnson717
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You're very polite. Thats'a a pleasure to talk with such people
As for the military: well-trained professionals tend to be efficient; if they with with a civilan, there's no use to use dangerous weapon; but if there's a life and death issue, do you really believe they won't use knife?
oh wait the joke was sust..
johnnyrockit8665
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what martial arts could be easily learned that i could use for self defense???
Check out Bas Rutten's self defense videos!
CoBra666
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You're very polite. Thats'a a pleasure to talk with such people
As for the military: well-trained professionals tend to be efficient; if they with with a civilan, there's no use to use dangerous weapon; but if there's a life and death issue, do you really believe they won't use knife?
Yeah, I am a joy. People from the american army might pillage. Most countries have standards though. Also they have weapons for a reason. My point of being a pussy to use a knife is the kind of guy who goes out to a bar with a knife in his pocket in case he starts shit with even 1 other dude, not someone whose career is protection.
