Second Cycle Opinion

[ryisfly]

I want to run my second cycle now and I'm trying to put together what I think would fit what I need.

I'm 25, 6'2" and 187 lbs... while I do want to gain I don't care about being 200+ lbs honestly... I want to get some solid muscle gains and less water retention.

What I'm currently looking at:

1-3 dbol 30mg ED (kickstart, left over)
1-10 test e 500mg/wk
1-10 primobolan (oral) 100mg ED
6-10 winstrol (oral) 30mg ED

I will be taking HCGenerate/Liv52 while on as well as following up with Bridge, Forma Stanazol and nolva for PCT (might use the Forma on cycle as well)

Is that too much? Haven't locked down on this but this is just what I've put together from reading and thinking about what I specifically need. Not sure if anyone has any thoughts with conflicting usage of those specific AAS elements.

Thanks

 

[OldSchoolLifter]

it looks fine, I would use clomid for pct rather than Nolva, and USe Aromasin @ 12.5mg eod while on cycle to eliminate bloat and any estro type sides

 

[ryisfly]

I do have some Clomid already anyways so I'll consider running that over the Nolva. Aromasin sounds like a fair addition as well

 

[ryisfly]

Any other thoughts? Just checking before I make my purchase

 

[EZ_E]

6'2 and 187 seem light;

What was your 1st cycle?
How long ago?
What was your PCT?
What's your diet and training?

~EZ

 

[ryisfly]

Agree I feel a little light right now... my build is very much a "runners build" unfortunately. My first cycle was:

1-4 dbol 40mg ED
1-10 test e 500mg/wk

This cycle ended mid-March. PCT was Nolva and Forma

I gained quite a bit but then lost a lot of water weight... still look and feel way better than before and I haven't lost much of my strength gains since off. My natural build makes gaining weight unbelievably difficult. While on cycle I took in about 4-5,000 calories a day and I admit I've laxed on that since off. I'm not planning on starting this cycle for another 2-3 months so I'm trying to gain as much as possible before then.... back on the weight gainers and trying to hit at least 4,000 calories a day again. I should be 192/3 ish at least by start of cycle.

Training is pretty focused, I work out 5 days a week:

Monday: Legs & Shoulders (Squats, lunges, etc etc)
Tues: Biceps & Swim
Wed: Chest & Abs
Thurs: Back (Deadlifts, Rows, etc)
Fri: Triceps & Cardio/Swim

I follow the MAX-OT program for a lot of my lifts so I like to keep my lift sessions between 30-45 minutes. I'm tempted to increase the frequency of all of this while on cycle though.

I'm also wondering if I should consider increasing the dosage of the primo from 100mg to 150mg ED, and possibly increasing the winny dosage from 30mg to either 40 or 50 ED... just basing this off of the "averages" listed on drugprofiles and based off others cycles.

Thanks for any help man

 

[EZ_E]

agree i feel a little light right now... My build is very much a "runners build" unfortunately. My first cycle was:

1-4 dbol 40mg ed
1-10 test e 500mg/wk

a few problems i see here:

This cycle ended mid-march. Pct was nolva and forma

terrible pct...probably could have retained even more gains with a better pct...refer to "the best pct of 2010" sticky...

i gained quite a bit but then lost a lot of water weight... Still look and feel way better than before and i haven't lost much of my strength gains since off. My natural build makes gaining weight unbelievably difficult. While on cycle i took in about 4-5,000 calories a day and i admit i've laxed on that since off.

^^^ diet post cycle is extremely important....really, it's important all the time..now you know for next time, don't skimp on diet when the cycle ends...


ot planning on starting this cycle for another 2-3 months so i'm trying to gain as much as possible before then.... Back on the weight gainers and trying to hit at least 4,000 calories a day again. I should be 192/3 ish at least by start of cycle.

Training is pretty focused, i work out 5 days a week:

Monday: Legs & shoulders (squats, lunges, etc etc)
tues: Biceps & swim
wed: Chest & abs
thurs: Back (deadlifts, rows, etc)
fri: Triceps & cardio/swim

over-training.....you cannot train 5 days in a row without a break, rest = grow....train 2-3 days on, day off, etc....every 2-3 months of taht take 2 weeks off....also, don't train legs and shoulders on the same day...

i follow the max-ot program for a lot of my lifts so i like to keep my lift sessions between 30-45 minutes. I'm tempted to increase the frequency of all of this while on cycle though.

I'm also wondering if i should consider increasing the dosage of the primo from 100mg to 150mg ed, and possibly increasing the winny dosage from 30mg to either 40 or 50 ed... Just basing this off of the "averages" listed on drugprofiles and based off others cycles.

Thanks for any help man

Keep the shakes to a minimum and get as much solid food as possible...

~EZ

 

[ryisfly]

thanks EZ, I appreciate all the advice... I will definitely follow accordingly

 

[littlevedds]

Hey, I'm gonna suggest you do your dbol starting week 2. This way you shouldn't loose any gains in transition from dbol to test e, as test e usually shows around week 5. Otherwise, your week 4 will be dissapointing.

I agree with a stronger PCT.

 

[ledhead]

Two orals together at the end, noooo, not a good idea, eliminate one of the orals at the end. You can train five days in row, just dont hit the same body part within 72 hrs. Train legs by themselves. Train tri's and bi's together. Then train the rest how you want too.... Over training occurs when you don't give each body part enough rest. Taking sat. and sun. off should be suffice for your goals.

 

[Judo Tom]

no need for the winstrol with your stats.

adding more drugs wont help.. ADD MORE FOOD 4k in cals for someone like you is not even close to the max for bulking up. try 6k. Try 6k NOW.

aas can only do so much if you dont fuel the fire you will be disappointed. EAT TO GROW. if you are not gonna up your cals dont bother going nuts with a cycle.

I know that taking in that many cals can seem hard and crazy but you gotta start now and start ramping up. olive oil and bread are a great way to get in extra cals. whole milk works well for lots of people but find something you can do day in and day out to really increase the calories you are taking in vs worrying about tweaking oral primo. that is not the answer. the answer is your diet.

 

[ryisfly]

Gotcha, I just had a long sit down with a heavy lifting friend about finding ways to increase my calorie intake.

He also suggested switching to whole milk... I guess I'm just finding it difficult to sneak in those extra calories without leaning towards "fatty" products as well. Especially while on cycle I want to watch my cholesterol, and cut down on extra acne if I can. I'll try to hit closer to 6k and keep the shakes to a minimum

ledhed, What's wrong with running primo and winny together? My understanding was that even the oral of primo was very easy on the system and is often run in conjunction with winny?

 

[ledhead]

Gotcha, I just had a long sit down with a heavy lifting friend about finding ways to increase my calorie intake.

He also suggested switching to whole milk... I guess I'm just finding it difficult to sneak in those extra calories without leaning towards "fatty" products as well. Especially while on cycle I want to watch my cholesterol, and cut down on extra acne if I can. I'll try to hit closer to 6k and keep the shakes to a minimum

ledhed, What's wrong with running primo and winny together? My understanding was that even the oral of primo was very easy on the system and is often run in conjunction with winny?

Winny is very hepatoxic. Meaning its hard on your liver. Also, it raises your lipids. Oral primo isnt that hard on your liver. However, winny is enough taxing that adding another oral would be very hard on your liver. You do what you want.... IMO, it's not a good idea to run 2 orals at the same time, no matter if one isn't that taxing but winny sure is.... I woudn't run winny by itself more than 6 weeks.

 

[ryisfly]

None of my stuff showed up and I now have to make a selection for reshipment.

They are out of the primo, and I wanted to substitute it with Var (and eliminate the Winny) but they are out of that as well.

Any suggestions?

I'm thinking of just running Test E/Winny but I'm not excited about the winny sides either.