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screw you IM STAYING ON!!!

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ive pondered this and researched this topic for about 2 years now. im around 35 and you know what IM STAYING ON....will keep test as a staple around 300-500mg week and cycling orals mostly var for 6-8 weeks on and same time off.

like i said screw this im staying on :chomp:
 
Is 300-500/ week as your base high do you think. Ive been pondering the same idea since i have no natural test but im undecided between 100 and 250/week.Good luck bro.
 
MASSIVEMONSTER said:
when you got guys running 250mg test a week for years without coming off as in HRT, can this have any health complications?
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Thats what i was thinking Bro...along the lines of Prostate problems in the long term. Anyone?
 
racoon_city said:
ive pondered this and researched this topic for about 2 years now. im around 35 and you know what IM STAYING ON....will keep test as a staple around 300-500mg week and cycling orals mostly var for 6-8 weeks on and same time off.

like i said screw this im staying on :chomp:
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I'm almost 33 and having been debating the same thing - at those test doses - will you continue to make gains during your "off-oral" periods - or will you still experience the same crash?
 
if the answer is a `no` then running 500mg a week of test for 8 week cycles with 6-8 weeks in between isnt a health hazard either then? I am not disagreeing with you, just stating that the sides you can get from using exogenous test as a supplement are overstated.
 
^^^^^^^
good thread
 
ive thought about doing this myself. havent got the time as most others to train due to work and all. only workout twice per week, whole body that is and think it might be worth it.
 
if one stayed on say 250mg of test a week for years and mixed in the occasional 4-6 weeks of anavar or primo every few months, would the gains keep coming or do you find your at a standstill?
this is a good thread by the way :)
 
Ulter said:
This thread has been done about 200 times over the last 6 years. :)

You reach a plateau at any dose and have to go up. You would certainly reach one at only 250mg.
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Obviously stated - but my real question was - while you are on the Test - would cycling of Orals produce less of a "crash" due to the steady flow of test in the system?
 
uummm ULTER and MACRO are both vets.... what do you wanna know?
 
itlnstln said:
Obviously stated - but my real question was - while you are on the Test - would cycling of Orals produce less of a "crash" due to the steady flow of test in the system?
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Sorry for the other post - I just wanted a quick answer to this question
 
ok in my research your not suppose to crash when coming off orals....you may loose hardness or some strength but nothing like a POST CYCLE CRASH.
 
Ulter, what test dose would you consider is too much as a base for HRT. Im thinking in terms of long term health issues. In other words what dose do you think you could take safely long term?
 
250 is a good staple...but considering the fact that im getting my stuff from UG lab for the first year the test E is dosed at 300mg/ml....so give or take some error id say its between 250-300 mg that ill be using,, thats why i said 300mg. ill use 500 mg for 12 weeks then fall back to 250-300mg for 12 weeks
 
I always on 250wk sometimes for a few weels i'll bump it to 500 just for that extra boost ,when its time for all out war then its 750- 1,500

RADAR
 
you won't crash if you use at least some 200mg test/week as a base but you would not feel that much from added orals either. if i add 50mg dbol/d to my test base i get a bit better pumps in the gym and some strength gains here and there but its lightyears away from the rush a newbie would experience on a dbol only cycle.
 
c gheller said:
Ulter, what test dose would you consider is too much as a base for HRT. Im thinking in terms of long term health issues. In other words what dose do you think you could take safely long term?
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The study with the most T I've seen was 600mg. I use 500mg and so do most of the guys I know. Since it's what I use personally and I wouldn't do anything to harm myself, that's the dose I think is best for me. I also use 400mg of deca though.
 
RADAR said:
I always on 250wk sometimes for a few weels i'll bump it to 500 just for that extra boost ,when its time for all out war then its 750- 1,500

RADAR
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:chomp: ----- :chomp:
 
RADAR said:
I always on 250wk sometimes for a few weels i'll bump it to 500 just for that extra boost ,when its time for all out war then its 750- 1,500

RADAR
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The MAN speaks
 
"you must spread around karma before giving it to ulter again"
 
RADAR said:
I always on 250wk sometimes for a few weels i'll bump it to 500 just for that extra boost ,when its time for all out war then its 750- 1,500

RADAR
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Ooooooooooohhhhh Yeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhh
 
And the favorite "base" test for HRT is???????????
 
i would think enanthate or cyp...i prefer enathate dont know hwy
 
Maybe I should try this trick to.. My brother has been "on" for about 15years, but he was off last year, the whoule year.... He did all his check-ups at the doc; TOP SCORE! He actually the only male besides to me on the "father-side" without a heart-condition.

Conclusion; sigarettes, alcohol and shitfood fuck U upp much harder than steroids, look at my family. It consists of two healthy testo-heads, while the rest of the lads are half-fat and half-sick..
 
MASSIVEMONSTER said:
can i get AIFM in uk?
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What's AIFM? And what's it for?

Cause like the rest of you I am considering staying on. I'm 41 yrs old and I probably have very little natural test production at this point. Since I just finished my first cycle I can't wait to start the next one.
 
Ulter said:
It's on my Signature. It's an aromatese inhibitor.
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Would Proviron offer similar benefits? I used it to reduce bloat but would it be effecive at all for symptoms of gyno?
 
Look guys, you can ask everyone and his brother about staying on and it DOESNT apply to you. Its real simple. BLOODWORK BLOODWORK. If you get
reg bloodtests and your values stay within a reasonable margin you should be fine. I dont care who knows all these guys and brothers and friends who supposedly have been on since forever. Im testing ME for my OWN bodies
response. If it makes you feel safer cause someone on here says its ok then fine. But going on gear for long periods i would get bloodwork every few months. Some people do all kinds of crap for decades and live long lives.
That dont mean YOU will.
 
250 mgs of Test E yields 180 mgs of Free Testosterone

at 250 a week your getting 25 mgs a day

average male produces 5-12 a day
 
tommy39 said:
Look guys, you can ask everyone and his brother about staying on and it DOESNT apply to you. Its real simple. BLOODWORK BLOODWORK. If you get
reg bloodtests and your values stay within a reasonable margin you should be fine. I dont care who knows all these guys and brothers and friends who supposedly have been on since forever. Im testing ME for my OWN bodies
response. If it makes you feel safer cause someone on here says its ok then fine. But going on gear for long periods i would get bloodwork every few months. Some people do all kinds of crap for decades and live long lives.
That dont mean YOU will.
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maybe you didnt read my opening post,i refered to research as being a main staple of mine for lst 2 years. ret it some time you might get a jist of how things work.
 
Ulter said:
The study with the most T I've seen was 600mg. I use 500mg and so do most of the guys I know. Since it's what I use personally and I wouldn't do anything to harm myself, that's the dose I think is best for me. I also use 400mg of deca though.
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Do you run any ancillaries at those doses Ulter?
 
whats the main things we should be checking for on a long cycle?
i assume and usually get liver, cholesterol, BP all checked. Just wondering Ulter could you list the supps you take as a safety precaution to avoid against high cholesterol, high BP, bad liver etc please... :)
 
MASSIVEMONSTER said:
whats the main things we should be checking for on a long cycle?
i assume and usually get liver, cholesterol, BP all checked. Just wondering Ulter could you list the supps you take as a safety precaution to avoid against high cholesterol, high BP, bad liver etc please... :)
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Bump - good questions
 
tommy39 said:
Look guys, you can ask everyone and his brother about staying on and it DOESNT apply to you. Its real simple. BLOODWORK BLOODWORK. If you get
reg bloodtests and your values stay within a reasonable margin you should be fine. I dont care who knows all these guys and brothers and friends who supposedly have been on since forever. Im testing ME for my OWN bodies
response. If it makes you feel safer cause someone on here says its ok then fine. But going on gear for long periods i would get bloodwork every few months. Some people do all kinds of crap for decades and live long lives.
That dont mean YOU will.
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Only one way to find out..... But, yes..it feels safer to hear guys in here and to see familymembers use the method with success(as you were refering to my answer).
 
Ulter, do you take aifm all year round or 0nly at certin times? I have been reading up on it and I was debating on taking it, you sold me on it. Lots of Karma comin your way bro
 
MASSIVEMONSTER said:
whats the main things we should be checking for on a long cycle?
i assume and usually get liver, cholesterol, BP all checked. Just wondering Ulter could you list the supps you take as a safety precaution to avoid against high cholesterol, high BP, bad liver etc please... :)
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yea some good questions :) but yes to all those

ill wait for ulter or radar to answer as they know first hand
 
personally I would vary the doses, ie 250mg for 8 weeks, then 500mg for 8 weeks, then back to 250mg again. Give your body a bit of a break, and you will likely make gains again when you bump the dose back up, but you will stop growing if you keep the dose the same all the time
 
racoon_city said:
good advice needsize.
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thanks
just out of curiousity, is your user name a resident evil thing....I'm a massive fan and racoon city is where it all goes down
 
yea needsize it is...i hope they come out with more sequals!!!!!!
 
racoon_city said:
yea needsize it is...i hope they come out with more sequals!!!!!!
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very cool
there is a resident evil 5 that will be out for the PS3 and x box 360, sometime this year hopefully, looks pretty mind blowing. I have every single resident evil that came out for every system, best games ever
 
cool! now i know you do more than bodybuild !! lol... j/king...

im curuous as to how much your trainer costs? pm me if u want
 
racoon_city said:
cool! now i know you do more than bodybuild !! lol... j/king...

im curuous as to how much your trainer costs? pm me if u want
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I am definitely a gamer, have been all my life, I think I have owned pretty much every system over the years.....I do admit I stand out a bit in the video game stores though....

I have my trainer on retainer, it runs me $200 a month for my diets, routines, cycle advice, and I see her a few times a month. I havent worked with her recently though as I have been way too busy
 
your trainer ....how can she work with me over the net without seeing me? swolecat charges 200 for whole program...

who should i choose guys?
 
been on 300mg test since 12/04. I might bump it if my cycling goes over 120 miles a week.
 
racoon_city said:
your trainer ....how can she work with me over the net without seeing me? swolecat charges 200 for whole program...

who should i choose guys?
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as long as you have a digital camera or scanner, she can use progress pics to see how you are doing. I have seen her do that with guys getting ready for contests, if a trainer can get a competitor contest ready online, any other kind of training is easy compared to that.
You also dont have to choose a trainer, mine is gold, no doubt, but I am at a point where I cant make any more gains on my own
 
does she want the whole 699 in one shot or can she mortgage it out lol!!?? i dont think i need the competition package right now in my current condition
 
I see these threads alot and i still dont buy them..Every cycle i do by about week 10 gains come to a hault..Now if your staying on all the time at 250 thats a really low dose of test..I wouldnt get anything from that event with time off,i have to run at least 750 and up to start to see soild gains.Now if your going from 250 8 weeks to 500 for 8 weeks and back down i dont see you geting much more then keeping what you had before you started.Is this a sad excuse not to come off? Seems thats the bottom line to me.Every cycle i do it seems i have to go a little higher dose to get gains event with time off in between cycles..So staying on doesnt make much sense then just taking a natural test booster instead..Ive seen charts showing release of test-e in the body and at 250 a week your not going to get to much of a dose.I just think its a total waste never coming off kind of falls into the junkie life style to me..I guess if i was 250 pounds of mad granite and was a pro bodybuilder it might be a option....Just my thoughts...I ve gained 40 pounds and keep every bit of it in 9 months something i doubt anyone can do staying on test without never coming off....Sure like someone to take a before picture and do this endless test cycle that low and show me 40 pounds of soild muscle in 9 months then ill be a believer till then its just a reason to stay on to me.
 
racoon_city said:
maybe you didnt read my opening post,i refered to research as being a main staple of mine for lst 2 years. ret it some time you might get a jist of how things work.
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Jist of how what fucking works? Your lifelong cycle? Good luck i could care less.
 
Ozz2001 said:
I see these threads alot and i still dont buy them..Every cycle i do by about week 10 gains come to a hault..Now if your staying on all the time at 250 thats a really low dose of test..I wouldnt get anything from that event with time off,i have to run at least 750 and up to start to see soild gains.Now if your going from 250 8 weeks to 500 for 8 weeks and back down i dont see you geting much more then keeping what you had before you started.Is this a sad excuse not to come off? Seems thats the bottom line to me.Every cycle i do it seems i have to go a little higher dose to get gains event with time off in between cycles..So staying on doesnt make much sense then just taking a natural test booster instead..Ive seen charts showing release of test-e in the body and at 250 a week your not going to get to much of a dose.I just think its a total waste never coming off kind of falls into the junkie life style to me..I guess if i was 250 pounds of mad granite and was a pro bodybuilder it might be a option....Just my thoughts...I ve gained 40 pounds and keep every bit of it in 9 months something i doubt anyone can do staying on test without never coming off....Sure like someone to take a before picture and do this endless test cycle that low and show me 40 pounds of soild muscle in 9 months then ill be a believer till then its just a reason to stay on to me.
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your reasoning holds absolutely no water when talking about someone who is way bigger than their natural genetic limits, who when they come off completely, cannot hold onto their mass. But if you arent very big, then you are right, no point staying on. But according to you, just keeping your gains is a stupid reason for not coming off....so in my case, should I cycle, get really big, then come off and drop tons of size because I am so far past my natural limit?
 
needsize said:
your reasoning holds absolutely no water when talking about someone who is way bigger than their natural genetic limits, who when they come off completely, cannot hold onto their mass. But if you arent very big, then you are right, no point staying on. But according to you, just keeping your gains is a stupid reason for not coming off....so in my case, should I cycle, get really big, then come off and drop tons of size because I am so far past my natural limit?
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^^ I second that!
 
4th
 
damn, I need to take a minute and savour this....I'm married so no one ever tells me I am right...
 
needsize said:
damn, I need to take a minute and savour this....I'm married so no one ever tells me I am right...
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speaking of getting along with your wife....theres this awesome book called "Light Her Fire" by Ellen Kreidman......despite the title it does not have to do with sex.

It is more of a relationship book.....but it is so awesome. Saved me many a conflict.
 
I dont post here too often so people might not take my opinion seriously. There is no right or wrong in this matter. Staying on test for the rest of your life is a serious decision that has many drawbacks. It is not going to be cheap. Legal ramifications. Availability of a quality product. You never know what may happen in your life that may force you to go completely off. What do you do then? You lose alot of muscle mass and go through the worst post cycle crash ever. There are so many people out there who do it the old fashioned way and cycle and keep very respectable gains. I suggest you think twice about doing something like this unless you have already seriously screwed your natural hormone levels already.
 
needsize said:
your reasoning holds absolutely no water when talking about someone who is way bigger than their natural genetic limits, who when they come off completely, cannot hold onto their mass. But if you arent very big, then you are right, no point staying on. But according to you, just keeping your gains is a stupid reason for not coming off....so in my case, should I cycle, get really big, then come off and drop tons of size because I am so far past my natural limit?
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Thank God someone said it, if you suffer a total blow out when you come off then your where at a place you never should have been. There are so many fucking variables, and studies on this BLAH BLAH BLAH. my fucking head spins.

The fact is the jury is out but the research is getting more positive each year regarding supplemental test and keeping levels equal to normal levels of your youth. I am 14 to 15 years on for doing exactly what needsizes said and that was going way over my natual ability. like it sounds like ozz was saying, and then applying the "always on" logic to hold it in hopes that a sponsor would give me the nod. The problem to hold was to much and shut down my ability to produce within 2 to 3 years I could not make enough test to give a gnat a hard-on. But even if to hold is realtive to your natural output if you go "always on" you will one day shut down and forget how to make it, this much they know and it is a fact.

However, I must also mention that the jury is out on "always on" and how long at what level does it take for your body to stop. My doc says I could have avoided it even at at my worst levels of abuse if I would have stopped every now and agian to remind my body how to make it. But that is not a prefect science, in fact it is no way near.

As far as prostate cancer and everything else they throw at us, fuck them they just do not know. They are trying so fucking hard to prove it bad they cannot see through the shit to give proper advice that applies to each person based on his body and not a generaly excepted rule. How can there be such a rule when we are talking about making up for something we make ourselves. There are a thousands variables. I admit it is getting better but we are not their.

But one thing that I can promise you and this is the truth and I swear to God and life if you stay on, you will one day be forced to stay on forever. This much they do know, I am not even knocking it and in fact I am Ok with it and prefer it. But admit the truth, understand the risks and in the end you cannot complain. For those who believe there is not a price to pay later you are simply ignoring the truth.

I have done almost everything and I can promise you. What I have not done I have seen and I am still at it because I except the outcome and the positive outweights the negative for me. But the decision needs to be made with logic not ignorance.

Had research been better 20 plus years ago I would have done it different but I would still have done it. No regrets here and 20 or so years from now you want to be able to say the same.

Do you realize there is some truth to almost every post on this thread. Yet no one is completely right and the reason is simply like I said before, they just do not know so everyone forms there own opinion. Check me every ten years and I will give you an up-date. Sorry for the late post but I never admit this, I reallhad to chew on it for awhile.

Here I go again, I need to shut the fuck up! Any questions send a message.

Sweet dreams all, and may God be with you
 
^^ What if you came off long term HRT when you were elderly..say 70s. Surely the crash or ill effects wouldnt be too bad as your natural levels would have declined somewhat by this age anyway...right?
 
This is what I dont stay on 12 months a year, I always come off for at least a month, every now and then. I also use hcg all the way through my cycles
 
c gheller said:
^^ What if you came off long term HRT when you were elderly..say 70s. Surely the crash or ill effects wouldnt be too bad as your natural levels would have declined somewhat by this age anyway...right?
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You are right somewhat but you woud have to taper off. I would not want to go from the levels of someone in there 20's to 70 in 14 days. Man to wake up and feel old almost overnight. If I intended to stop, I would taper off throughout my whole life and stop as I would have naturally by average standard, but no way, that is where the part about I do not mind comes in. I for sure have the option to stop when I would have naturally or for that matter to taper off and decline as I would.

However, there is no need as I said the evidence gets better each year to the true medical benifits to maintaining healthy levels until the big man upstairs call your number. The key according to my Doc is to stay within the norm of your youth. He is a very big supporter of test replacment therapy no matter what the reason. So you have to remember if I was totally norm today, and this is my doctor, I would be on it for life anyway just to make up for the natural decline by aging.

I have noted in posts before that my wonderful and beautiful wife is 20 years younger, what I have never mentioned because it never came up is that I can rise to the occasion and hold my own just as I did when I was 18 to 20 or so. LOL now that is not justification but it is a added perk from the plan.

In 2001 I was in a bad automobile accident almost killed, and the conventional doc's at the hospital would not support me. So they let me go down. I swear I aged 10 fucking years in a years. even my hair even grayed, now I color it. My face everything, geneticaly men in my family do not age well. My dad also a doc is 73 and he looks 80 or so and he is frail. He was just like me when I was young, very athletic etc. But as Needsize mentioned genetics are real. I swear I am not sure in the long run what did me worse the accident or allowing my test levels to drop.

But again to answer your question, yes I could but no I will never. 2 pops per week and it is a wild, wild world. Never grow old and never say die.

God I slept great last night
 
needsize said:
This is what I dont stay on 12 months a year, I always come off for at least a month, every now and then. I also use hcg all the way through my cycles
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That is the trick come off wait 10 to 14 days get tested and see. Supplements sould have run there course. Now in 14 days again test again and see if your body picked up and are carrying your own.

My doctor claims first if I had not overloaded like I did and you are not, and if I would have after a cycle backed off to a safe bridge until the next cycle and I would have run the test above 2 times a year I would be OK. Maybe, but there is a big maybe for me because of genetics.

The answer lies in your blood it will not lie, get it check always if you give a shit, if not just except you may be stuck the rest of you life. What is the difference between test replacement, vitamin replacement, insulin replacement like my mom, people make up for what nature has left off all the time.

But ohhhh someone says TESTOSTERONE and mother cover the eyes of there child, old look away as in shame on you, the minister yells repent.
I say fuck you, take a good look and wish you had the guts.

No regrets that is where the answer lies, so understand the consequences.

And the coloured girls go DOO DOO DOO DOO DOO DOO DOO DOO
(Luo Reed)

Dig today it may be your last!
(Me)

No, I am not crazy just insanely in love with life so much so, I giggle like a child.
What who said that?
 
he means that whats the difference from being a diebetic or needing pills for menta illness, YOU NEED THEM EVEYDAY OF YOUR LIFE FOR DEFICINECIES!! imagine if you where diebetic and had to shoot a needle 6 times a day and monitor your blood glucose THAT A COMMITMENT!!!!! with test you shoot evey 5th day- 10 th day...oh and how bad will the crash be coming off 250 mg week??????
 
racoon_city said:
he means that whats the difference from being a diebetic or needing pills for menta illness, YOU NEED THEM EVEYDAY OF YOUR LIFE FOR DEFICINECIES!! imagine if you where diebetic and had to shoot a needle 6 times a day and monitor your blood glucose THAT A COMMITMENT!!!!! with test you shoot evey 5th day- 10 th day...oh and how bad will the crash be coming off 250 mg week??????
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If your taking it for years on end without a break it could be pretty bad. By the way your analogy is flawed here because being diabetic is a chronic illness and taking insulin for it could be a life saving thing. Wanting to go on permanent hormone replacement is not life dependant. While I agree if you have permanently fucked your test production (like if your a pro bodybuilder who megadosed for years) it is warrented but if you dont need to you are making a bad decision. By all means though, there are much worse things you could do to your body. I just dont see the need if you are a healthy person to begin with and I do advocate the responsible use of steroids.
 
bro dont shit on my thread unless you have something worth while saying or MEDICAL FACTS. how old do you think i am 10?
 
oh by the way did you read the thread title?

it says screw you im staying on!!..... :chomp:


for you-------> :coffee:


enjoy
 
I've always wondered what the effects of a low dose test cycle would be for the people with mood disorders. Not the hallucinagenic folks that should be institutionalized, but people that fight depression or bipolar or anxiety or something similar to that. Hell even sleep disorders?

I guess though, with that, it's going to depend on the person allot and their lifestyle. Also, there is a risk of a crash and someone with a previous condition like the ones listed above may have a worse crash than others, but it sure makes you wonder. I'm sure they would have to still take a baseline of their medication, but I'm surprised that there hasn't been anything but limited research on this.

Main thing that prompted this random thought is of course the Lifelong Cycle idea, but also the fact that i have a friend who's bipolar that i work with. Great guy, but each day is a complete struggle for him. He doesn't have the typical depression sides, but he has this insane elevated mood and then goes back down a bit lower than normal, but does this about a dozen times a day. I always wondered what would happen for people like that, but I supposed the low dose cycle could send some mofo's off the charts too.

Oh well random thought, but really good thread fella's
 
hangclean said:
If your taking it for years on end without a break it could be pretty bad. By the way your analogy is flawed here because being diabetic is a chronic illness and taking insulin for it could be a life saving thing. Wanting to go on permanent hormone replacement is not life dependant. While I agree if you have permanently fucked your test production (like if your a pro bodybuilder who megadosed for years) it is warrented but if you dont need to you are making a bad decision. By all means though, there are much worse things you could do to your body. I just dont see the need if you are a healthy person to begin with and I do advocate the responsible use of steroids.
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"I just dont see the need if you are a healthy person to begin with". Bro this one line in your post sums it all up. You have obviously never suffered from prolonged very low test levels. Let me tell you there a hell pf a lot of symptoms one of which is depression.......now tell me that is not life threatening. Shit why dont we take all the people suffering mental illness, and take their medication from them....after all as you say it is not life threatening!!
 
racoon_city said:
oh by the way did you read the thread title?

it says screw you im staying on!!..... :chomp:


for you-------> :coffee:


enjoy
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Just giving my two cents. This is a forum right. Anyway I'm not telling you not to do it I just think you should think twice before making such a huge decision. I wont bother with you now.
 
c gheller said:
"I just dont see the need if you are a healthy person to begin with". Bro this one line in your post sums it all up. You have obviously never suffered from prolonged very low test levels. Let me tell you there a hell pf a lot of symptoms one of which is depression.......now tell me that is not life threatening. Shit why dont we take all the people suffering mental illness, and take their medication from them....after all as you say it is not life threatening!!
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You just said in your post "prolonged low test levels". Is this not one of the reasons I stated for doing long term HRT? Reading comprehension is obviously not your forte.
 
hangclean said:
You just said in your post "prolonged low test levels". Is this not one of the reasons I stated for doing long term HRT? Reading comprehension is obviously not your forte.
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No Bro you said, and i quote " While i agree if you have permenantly fucked your test production (like if you are pro bodybuilder who mega dosed for years)". My point was that there are people who are predisposed to this condition and have not necessarily abused or even used AAS ever.
 
hangclean said:
Staying on test for the rest of your life is a serious decision that has many drawbacks. It is not going to be cheap. Legal ramifications.
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if i were in the US, i would get a script, i could not sleep knowing i have something illegal in my house. its not that big an issue in Europe, as long as i can get gear on the black market, fine, its dirt cheap and legal but if the black market would dry out one day, i would get a rx, my natural production must be close to zero now

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Availability of a quality product.
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this was the only issue that i had given a second thought but i doubt that we will anywhere in future run out of synthetic testosterone. there are millions of men who get that prescribed currently and its dirt cheap to manufacture.

hangclean said:
You never know what may happen in your life that may force you to go completely off.
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why should that happen? you don't go off naturally either, a male makes testosterone until he dies, so i inject testosterone until i die.

hangclean said:
There are so many people out there who do it the old fashioned way and cycle and keep very respectable gains. I suggest you think twice about doing something like this unless you have already seriously screwed your natural hormone levels already.
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it depends on what one consideres "screwed". i had natural levels that were still within normal boundaries, just on the lower end. the medical community sees declining testosterone levels as a normal process of ageing, so getting fatter, losing muscle mass and sex drive is "normal". but i just don't want to live "normal". since i can neither achieve what i call quality life naturally nor with cycling, i do have to stay on.
 
racoon_city said:
oh by the way did you read the thread title?

it says screw you im staying on!!..... :chomp:


for you-------> :coffee:


enjoy
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Had to chuckle a little, nice retort, seems like you had a premonition in the thread title to be able to defend yourself if things went south.

You started a nice thread that touched a lot of nerves and opinions. Good insight and experiences posted in this thread (and ones similar to it) that will be invaluable for many knowledgeable and responsible AAS users for a long time to come.

Well done.
 
I started this mess, sorry racoon, just that I have been here a long ago when we did not have the resources such as this site to learn. My tone in writting, is trying to make light while discussing a bad situation, I cannot live in the blues. It seems everyone wants to know what it will be like 20 to 25 years later so I stepped in.The analogy of diabetics was wrong, just that it runs in my family 1 Aunt, cousin, mother, brother and I am borderline, so just seems common place. Although some diabetics are responsiable for there condition from the abuse of foods, everything can be abused. I will be very careful from now on on my choice of words. And again my appoligies to any damage I cause in anyway to a very important thread who many could benifit from.

Sincerely,

Oldpro
 
its ok to post opinions and we can trade back and forth, but when someone just shows up saying " its bad" to be on test, then im going to get rowdy.

believe me im considering all opinions here whether guys tell me to cycle off or just stay on..

oldpro-
you didnt do anything or say anything wrong bro. people take meds forever for deficientcies, ie insulin shots, head meds, ect ect..
 
Just out of curiosity, has anyone on here known someone that has been on long term GH therapy? I know long term Test would be a lot less money but for someone who could afford it I would think that GH would be another alternative.
 
why do you think hgh is better long term? have you read what HGH man had to say about this? he was on HGH since 1996 i beilive
 
Great thread. I was on for 8 months but my original intention was only to do a 14 week cycle (750mg/wk test and 400mg/wk deca and proper ancillaries) do my pct and try to keep my gains through proper training and a disciplined diet. My stats at the beginning were, height=5'8" weight=175lbs. My goal was to maintain a bodyweight of 190-195lbs after pct while being reasonably lean. I don't measure BF with calipers or any other testing means I just get out of the shower each morning and look in the mirror and take it from there.

Well, after 14 weeks I stopped the deca, dropped the test to 500mg/wk and stayed on for the next about 18 weeks. At one point I bumped the dosage back to 750mg/wk for 3 weeks then back to 500mg/wk for a time and then bumped it 1000mg/wk for 4 weeks and then finished at 500mg/wk for the duration. I did an intense pct with hcg, nolva and clomid for about 7 weeks (clomid as a precaution because I was on so long, otherwise I would have done just hcg and nolva).

Before pct I had made it to a very lean and dry 207lbs looking pretty solid for a 5'8" guy around 50 yrs. old. Right now I've lost 13 lbs of those gains but part of that is due to lower protein intake so my liver would be less stressed and I increased my cardio to 80% of my max heart rate to improve my blood pressure and resting heart rate.

I have been off for about 11 weeks and at my physicals my BP was 110/68 and my resting HR was 64 BPM. My prostrate was normal (I take saw palmetto as a preventative and believe it works) and all my blood work was in the normal value ranges. They did not test for natural test levels and I didn't ask because I didn't want to get into with my doctor.

I plan on researching this subject more and unless I find a compelling reason not to, I'm going back on and probably staying on. Test gives me a feeling of general wellness, energy and confidence which allows me to live a more active and involved lifestyle.
 
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I think Ill join in,Im only 24 but ever since I started taking paroxitine (4 years ago)my sex drive fell through the floor streanth dident go up like it used to ,I didnt have my deppression anymore but didnt feel like a man anymore either
Ive talked do my GP about it and he says theres nothing that can be done its just a common side effect of the drug I asked about blood test/hrt because I said its becuase of low test levels Ive done some research and he reckons Im far to young ,Im also hoplessly hooked on these fucking things
well fuck him Im coming of a cycle soon and Im going down to 250mg ew then 125 mg a ew of sust or test e
theres a clinic near to were I live that offers FREE blood work for steroid users (if any one in ne england wants the addy send me a pm)
so I will make regular check 3 months or so
I dont care if Im too young for it,it gives me a better quality of life so why shouldent I
 
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