screw time off - I'm starting!

[alien amp pharm]

I have been off for 5 weeks. I was planning on waiting for 5 MONTHS, but being off is killing me! Plus reading this board doesn't help any. I've decided to go ahead and start my next cycle the 1st of July.-that'll give me 4 more weeks (9 weeks off total).

I'm only gonna do a 6 week cycle consisting of:
dbol - wk 1-4 (25mg/day)
test enanthane - wk 1-6 (500mg/wk)
fina/tren - wk 1-6 (75mg/day)
liquidex + arimidex throughout
clomid post cycle

Any comments/suggestions?
Do any of you NOT wait long between cycles?
BTW, I have a ton of dol.-would you suggest using it for all 6 weeks instead of 4?

This is my third cycle and I'm currently 5'-9", 180, 8-9%bf.

 

[lincoln]

Lots of people dont wait. Some never stop. I couldnt wait last time so I jumped back on.

I learned my lesson though because the gains arent the same as they would be if you waited.

 

[Suspension]

Hey bro. If you cannot wait more than 5 weeks, next time its going to be as soon as you finish your clomid.

If you keep cycling like this, eventually you will run into problems. Give your body a break yo'

-Sus

 

[Nathan]

You'll be fine with 9 weeks - 9 weeks is not 5 weeks. Just get some blood taken in another few weeks before you start to make sure everything is where it should be. If it is, then why wait longer?

Replace the enanthate with prop.

 

[Xtreme2001]

If you keep cycling like this, eventually you will run into problems. Give your body a break yo'

-Sus

I agree... Mind over matter

 

[Hauge]

ya bro try and chill. I waited 4 months before the one I am on now. After this one I am done until probably February. Got to let your body rest and got to be smart, AS can be very addicting and those who can handle it do much better of than those who cant. Just my .02$ bro.

 

[IronFist]

Hey bro. If you cannot wait more than 5 weeks, next time its going to be as soon as you finish your clomid.

If you keep cycling like this, eventually you will run into problems. Give your body a break yo'

-Sus

Very true...Sometimes extremely difficult but you need your time off...

 

[bigdelt69]

I can relate to how you feel bro, comming off sucks!
If at all possible I believe that it would be better to wait another month or so, but you already know that.

FRESH RECEPTOR'S= BETTER GAINES

 

[Maxx Out]

I have been off for 5 weeks. I was planning on waiting for 5 MONTHS, but being off is killing me! Plus reading this board doesn't help any. I've decided to go ahead and start my next cycle the 1st of July.-that'll give me 4 more weeks (9 weeks off total).

I'm only gonna do a 6 week cycle consisting of:
dbol - wk 1-4 (25mg/day)
test enanthane - wk 1-6 (500mg/wk)
fina/tren - wk 1-6 (75mg/day)
liquidex + arimidex throughout
clomid post cycle

Any comments/suggestions?
Do any of you NOT wait long between cycles?
BTW, I have a ton of dol.-would you suggest using it for all 6 weeks instead of 4?

This is my third cycle and I'm currently 5'-9", 180, 8-9%bf.

I think u'll see better results w/prop. The eth is too long acting for that short of a cycle.

 

[MadCow1]

An observation:

No one is ever satisfied with the final product of their efforts. They always find something else wrong with it.

Everyone is in a huge hurry to get to the final product at the expense of many worthwhile experiences.

Conclusion:

Enjoy the ride. Take it slow and take pleasure in living the life you've been blessed with.

If you can't lift naturally without jumping back on juice, I'd suggest a self evaluation as there is something amiss. This is how people go from a few cycles to living their lives on drugs - welcome to BBing.

 

[Maxx Out]

An observation:

No one is ever satisfied with the final product of their efforts. They always find something else wrong with it.

Everyone is in a huge hurry to get to the final product at the expense of many worthwhile experiences.

Conclusion:

Enjoy the ride. Take it slow and take pleasure in living the life you've been blessed with.

If you can't lift naturally without jumping back on juice, I'd suggest a self evaluation as there is something amiss. This is how people go from a few cycles to living their lives on drugs - welcome to BBing.

Karma to you brother!

 

[alien amp pharm]

Thanks for the replies. And yes it is 9 weeks off total, not 5. I know I should probably wait even more than 9 but I guess at least that does fall into the time on=time off theory (last cycle was 8 weeks long).

Nathan, Maxx: Good point. I see what you mean by the prop. I just have the enanthate already as it is very easy for me to obtain. -Maybe I'll extend the cycle and add some more eth. so I can get the full benefit from it.

I have a complete physical at the end of June, so I'll get everything checked then. If it's all good, then I'll start.

 

[alien amp pharm]

Madcow1:

Damn, that was deep. That was well put.

 

[DocJ]

You're already taking time off = to the time on, plus your next cycle is only 6 weeks. You're good to go...
I think time on = time off is the maximum amount of time someone should take off. Then again, it all really depends on your goals with AAS use.

 

[genarr3]

If you can't lift naturally without jumping back on juice, I'd suggest a self evaluation as there is something amiss. This is how people go from a few cycles to living their lives on drugs - welcome to BBing.

Well said. This is one of the reasons I don't like guys with little time in the gym taking gear.

Learn to love lifting.

I don't care whether I'm on or not, I'm always amped to go to the gym.

Don't become one of those guys that can't train unless he's taking something. That is a truely sad condition.

 

[CUBANITO]

Maybe you can try this so you can start clomid therapy asap. How does that sound? any inputs please, thats what im planning to start in couple of days.

week 1-6 test enth.
week 3-8 30/day dbol
week 3-8 75/day fina

 

[Vageta]

I have no clue what your first cycle was but remember this. Long acting esthers stay in the blood for weeks after your last injection and you must count this as part of the cycle. If you're on enanthate or sust for 8 weeks, then you're really on an 11 week cycle. Just because your last shot was at week 8 doesn't mean you're "off" on the next 3 weeks because there's still plenty floating around in your system. Also you should really not count being off until after your clomid therapy and your natural test has recovered, at least somewhat. So in reality an 8 week test cycle is really 12-13 weeks(3 weeks of clomid starting 3rd week from final injection) so remember that when figuring out time on and time off calculations.

Simple concept but many don't follow it. There is a damn good reason for taking time off so don't cheat yourself by starting early. I agree with the others as well, it sounds like you're already becoming addicted to the drugs if you can't fathome lifting without being on something. That's a clear sign you should take a step back and re-evaluate what you're doing.

 

[FatChops]

That's right

I hear you Genarr3, that's what i am talking about. "Train to love lifting" I like that. Well I am, definetly in love.

"I want to be 225lbs 8%bf by age 21, want to be, MUST BE!!!"

 

[alien amp pharm]

Don't get me wrong on what I'm about to write. I agree with you guys saying wait longer. I don't think this is a sign of drug dependency. I am waiting 9 weeks and that IS from starting clomid. Here's my response:

Would YOU rather live 85 years and have a dull,boring life? or would you rather live 60 years and have a fun, exciting, fulfilling life? Sometimes you just have to take risks/chances in life. Now don't mistake what I'm saying. -I'm not saying stay on insane amounts of juice all the time and basically committ suicide. I'm simply stating that you gotta have a little fun in life and live it to the fullest because it is, in fact, short.
What about those killed in the Sept.11 attacks. What if one of those people skipped dessert the day before because he or she didn't want to take a chance of gaining a little weight? Enjoy life and eat the dessert! Just don't over-do it.

Once again, don't take this the wrong way. I'm not bashing anyone - I, for the most part, agree with what everyone has said.

 

[Beezers]

Don't get me wrong on what I'm about to write. I agree with you guys saying wait longer. I don't think this is a sign of drug dependency. I am waiting 9 weeks and that IS from starting clomid. Here's my response:

Would YOU rather live 85 years and have a dull,boring life? or would you rather live 60 years and have a fun, exciting, fulfilling life? Sometimes you just have to take risks/chances in life. Now don't mistake what I'm saying. -I'm not saying stay on insane amounts of juice all the time and basically committ suicide. I'm simply stating that you gotta have a little fun in life and live it to the fullest because it is, in fact, short.
What about those killed in the Sept.11 attacks. What if one of those people skipped dessert the day before because he or she didn't want to take a chance of gaining a little weight? Enjoy life and eat the dessert! Just don't over-do it.

Once again, don't take this the wrong way. I'm not bashing anyone - I, for the most part, agree with what everyone has said.

Amen brother. But you can't eat the desert every night...esspecially a bodybuilder. Live it up and go for a dream. When it's your time you'll be happy you did.

BTW...I'm on year round and am a model of health. I have blood tests done every other month as well as two physcals per year. Tip top condition I am. 9 weeks off is plenty of time. Any more and you're wasting your time in this "living" ting you just spoke of.

 

[lincoln]

Re: I'm glad you leared...

lots of people should be changed to "weak,dumb or stupid". You have to do 2-3X as much gear to get the same affect.

I bet more people on this board then will admit can't stay off for the appropriate amount of time.

 

[drrman]

im not gonna lie, off time is basically never for me, I might go on a light cycle of anavar for a few weeks, and cycle between androgens and anabolics, but im never completely off. Hell, if i get flamed i dont' care, im happy and i look and feel great, so hell with it

 

[Vageta]

Originally posted by lincoln

I bet more people on this board then will admit can't stay off for the appropriate amount of time.

That still doesn't make it anymore right so I won't bother with the "if everyone jumped off of a bridge" cliche. As far as the living longer question, I'd prefer to live to be 85 and have an exciting life and I don't see why that's a problem. Why must everything be either extreme or mundane... what happened to moderation? There is a huge difference between living a boring life and going to dangerous extremes. All that this thread is advocating is to make sure that you take enough time off between cycles to give your body a well deserved break. It's not advocating that he stop his drug use or take a year off.

I've cycled in the past, am cycling now and plan to cycle in the future. I also plan on living a long and healthy life with my wife and soon to be born child(ren). If I honestly felt what I was doing right now would drastically shorten my life then I wouldn't be doing it. I approach my AS use with care and I respect my body. I am not afraid to cut a cycle short if my body calls for it and I'm not afraid to take extra time off if I need to. I rule the substances, they do not rule me.

At any rate if you have counted 9 weeks off post clomid then it sounds as if you did take enough time off. When you first posted you made it sound like you were jumping back into a cycle with nowhere near enough time off.

Another sad fact is my "safe" AS use has given me results that surpass the average cycle results posted on this board. If I were to abuse the substances then I would not doubt get better results, but at what risk? I prefer to keep making my "modest" gains, that are still 5x what would be accomplished naturally, and feel safe that my health and long term T-levels won't be affected.

BTW I'm not trying to preach, we all can do what we want for any reason we choose. I just don't buy into some of the excuses explained for using AS in these manners. Unless you have legitimate hormonal deficiencies or are a professional athlete/bodybuilder then I just don't see how the possible future ramifications of full time AS usage is worth it. Then again I guess it's no different from those who smoke 2 packs of cigarettes a day and binge drink.

 

[genarr3]

Would YOU rather live 85 years and have a dull,boring life? or would you rather live 60 years and have a fun, exciting, fulfilling life?

It don't work like that. I'm guessing you're a pretty young guy. How about finding out a few years from now when you've found someone you like to spend the rest of your life with and have children, but can't because you've so fucked with your hormonal system that you've become sterile?

Or at age 39 find out you no longer produce natural test for the same reasons and must go on test therapy for the rest of your natural life? I know someone this has happened to.

Or you develope prostate cancer in your 40's and the doctors tell you your steroid abuse most likely played a large part in it?

Abusing steroids most likely won't cause you problems when you're old and gray. You'd most likely have problems in a decade or two.

I'm not saying you're going to drop dead from not adhearing to time on = time off. It's just a smart thing to do. Or you can just say fuck it.

 

[MadCow1]

Or at age 39 find out you no longer produce natural test for the same reasons and must go on test therapy for the rest of your natural life? I know someone this has happened to.

I know someone who never violated time on/off and used lower dosages than the majority of the guys on this board. Guess what - he is also on permanent replacement therapy.

He had a very solid lifting career and was one of the best in the nation for a time (so not a recreational lifter or wannabe). Still, now that his career is passed and he is a bit older he looks back and wonders if he could have used lower dosages with less frequency.

My opinion is that recreational guys should not be pushing minimums or taking any chances. I feel that my gains were greatly enhanced by taking extended periods off between cycles rather than running time on/off which forced me to increase my dosages significantly after each cycle for moderate gains - this would indicate to me that the body does not completely return to its natural state in a short span of time. This is also the reason why guys on this board have to keep racheting up the dosages.

 

[abc 1]

i have to say living jacked till 60, or boring till 85 is not the way it will happen. the affects don't drop you all at once. it's heart problems/hormone problems/prostate problems/etc. that cause lifestyle changes that aren't even thought about when the aas are being over used. i used to think that way till i got hit with a side effect i never saw coming. now i'm doing everything to reverse the effects. be smart and think long term. genarr is right, i didn't think twice till i met my future wife, now my concern is growing old with her and it's funny how such a simple thing could seem so hard to imagine. be careful, take care of yourself, if you can't love the iron without the gear, might want to find a safer way of life.

 

[Bam Bam]

Personally for me bro, I don't believe in ruining your body just to get big or feel good, especially if your not a pro making a living out of it. I know just how you feel, I have been bad to quit lifting after I come off of a cycle because I get so depressed. I have that situation in hand now and Its been close to 9 months since my last cycle. I have put on most of all the weight I lost by lifting naturally over the past 4 months. I am 184 and the most I ever weighed while on was 188. So when I start my cycle next week, my receptors will be fresh and strength will be where it needs to be. I will hit my 200lb goal easily, in fact I am going to set a new goal of around 205 to 210. Just suck it up and hit the weights hard for the next few months, then when you start the next one, it will be that much better. Good luck with whatever you do. BamBam

 

[Bam Bam]

I should have mentioned this above but I forgot. Go get the new Sports Illustrated and read what happened to Ken Caminiti (baseball player) when he stayed on all year. He now takes test shots every onth because his body will not produce natural test. It a very interesting article about AS use in baseball. BamBam

 

[galaxy]

Would YOU rather live 85 years and have a dull,boring life? or would you rather live 60 years and have a fun, exciting, fulfilling life?

85 or 65 yrs old. Thats probably the difference between seeing your grandchildren graduate or not seeing them graduate. Just something to think about.............galaxy