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That still doesn't make it anymore right so I won't bother with the "if everyone jumped off of a bridge" cliche. As far as the living longer question, I'd prefer to live to be 85 and have an exciting life and I don't see why that's a problem. Why must everything be either extreme or mundane... what happened to moderation? There is a huge difference between living a boring life and going to dangerous extremes. All that this thread is advocating is to make sure that you take enough time off between cycles to give your body a well deserved break. It's not advocating that he stop his drug use or take a year off.
I've cycled in the past, am cycling now and plan to cycle in the future. I also plan on living a long and healthy life with my wife and soon to be born child(ren). If I honestly felt what I was doing right now would drastically shorten my life then I wouldn't be doing it. I approach my AS use with care and I respect my body. I am not afraid to cut a cycle short if my body calls for it and I'm not afraid to take extra time off if I need to. I rule the substances, they do not rule me.
At any rate if you have counted 9 weeks off post clomid then it sounds as if you did take enough time off. When you first posted you made it sound like you were jumping back into a cycle with nowhere near enough time off.
Another sad fact is my "safe" AS use has given me results that surpass the average cycle results posted on this board. If I were to abuse the substances then I would not doubt get better results, but at what risk? I prefer to keep making my "modest" gains, that are still 5x what would be accomplished naturally, and feel safe that my health and long term T-levels won't be affected.
BTW I'm not trying to preach, we all can do what we want for any reason we choose. I just don't buy into some of the excuses explained for using AS in these manners. Unless you have legitimate hormonal deficiencies or are a professional athlete/bodybuilder then I just don't see how the possible future ramifications of full time AS usage is worth it. Then again I guess it's no different from those who smoke 2 packs of cigarettes a day and binge drink.
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It don't work like that. I'm guessing you're a pretty young guy. How about finding out a few years from now when you've found someone you like to spend the rest of your life with and have children, but can't because you've so fucked with your hormonal system that you've become sterile?alien amp pharm said:
Or at age 39 find out you no longer produce natural test for the same reasons and must go on test therapy for the rest of your natural life? I know someone this has happened to.
Or you develope prostate cancer in your 40's and the doctors tell you your steroid abuse most likely played a large part in it?
Abusing steroids most likely won't cause you problems when you're old and gray. You'd most likely have problems in a decade or two.
I'm not saying you're going to drop dead from not adhearing to time on = time off. It's just a smart thing to do. Or you can just say fuck it.
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I know someone who never violated time on/off and used lower dosages than the majority of the guys on this board. Guess what - he is also on permanent replacement therapy.
He had a very solid lifting career and was one of the best in the nation for a time (so not a recreational lifter or wannabe). Still, now that his career is passed and he is a bit older he looks back and wonders if he could have used lower dosages with less frequency.
My opinion is that recreational guys should not be pushing minimums or taking any chances. I feel that my gains were greatly enhanced by taking extended periods off between cycles rather than running time on/off which forced me to increase my dosages significantly after each cycle for moderate gains - this would indicate to me that the body does not completely return to its natural state in a short span of time. This is also the reason why guys on this board have to keep racheting up the dosages.
i have to say living jacked till 60, or boring till 85 is not the way it will happen. the affects don't drop you all at once. it's heart problems/hormone problems/prostate problems/etc. that cause lifestyle changes that aren't even thought about when the aas are being over used. i used to think that way till i got hit with a side effect i never saw coming. now i'm doing everything to reverse the effects. be smart and think long term. genarr is right, i didn't think twice till i met my future wife, now my concern is growing old with her and it's funny how such a simple thing could seem so hard to imagine. be careful, take care of yourself, if you can't love the iron without the gear, might want to find a safer way of life.
Personally for me bro, I don't believe in ruining your body just to get big or feel good, especially if your not a pro making a living out of it. I know just how you feel, I have been bad to quit lifting after I come off of a cycle because I get so depressed. I have that situation in hand now and Its been close to 9 months since my last cycle. I have put on most of all the weight I lost by lifting naturally over the past 4 months. I am 184 and the most I ever weighed while on was 188. So when I start my cycle next week, my receptors will be fresh and strength will be where it needs to be. I will hit my 200lb goal easily, in fact I am going to set a new goal of around 205 to 210. Just suck it up and hit the weights hard for the next few months, then when you start the next one, it will be that much better. Good luck with whatever you do. BamBam
I should have mentioned this above but I forgot. Go get the new Sports Illustrated and read what happened to Ken Caminiti (baseball player) when he stayed on all year. He now takes test shots every onth because his body will not produce natural test. It a very interesting article about AS use in baseball. BamBam
Would YOU rather live 85 years and have a dull,boring life? or would you rather live 60 years and have a fun, exciting, fulfilling life?
85 or 65 yrs old. Thats probably the difference between seeing your grandchildren graduate or not seeing them graduate. Just something to think about.............galaxy
85 or 65 yrs old. Thats probably the difference between seeing your grandchildren graduate or not seeing them graduate. Just something to think about.............galaxy
