SARMS-s4 Study

[truckdaddy]

Oh come off it Ross.

"low dosage testosterone" - Otehr's use low doses too. Such as myself and always have done.

"the effects of steroidal esterfication" - You stole that from Anthony Roberts (Conners).

"cOmbining orals" - You wernt the first to add two orals together.

Do you honestly think anything you have ever done is ground breaking? Because its not, by ANYONE's stretch of imagination.

agreed.

A very well respected member of the BB community should be getting blood work soon. Stay tuned.

 

[Carlito B]

Exactly and many members of this board and many others think that use of Clomid and Nolva and such products is very risky to peoples health and are now looking for more natural and healthy ways to recover.

I havent seen a single blood test with someone using SARMS ALONE with no other chemicals at all, or comparison tests showing tims to recover with standard PCT against PCT using SARMS to prove whether or not the person recovered 100% in the same amount of time and that SARMS did not slow the process.

Just stating no one should be making DEFINITE assumptions about the use of SARMS when the only medical information we have on it states the OPPOSITE of what the "users" are stating.

Truck, please keep in mind I AM CURRENTLY USING SARMS for my own tests so I am not against the substance, I am just looking at all the facts that we have so far.

-Legacy

What natural ways may I ask?

Clomid, Nolva, Aromasin, Hcg ..all of them are effective for PCT as long as used correctly. The same thing we could say about Sarms-4 which at low dosages will help maintain some gains.

For PCT I would use what works for me : Aromasin , HCG and S4, maybe add some Lr3.

DO not listen to Ross , he obviously has something against the sponsor who sells S4 on this forum.

C

 

[Carlito B]

agreed.

A very well respected member of the BB community should be getting blood work soon. Stay tuned.

I think that would RADAR but there are others who have done it and have reported no shut down.

C

 

[Carlito B]

I have stated numerous times now that SARMS are indeed suppressive of natural testosterone production, and appear to be inferior to classical anabolic androgenic steroids for muscle-building purposes. The SARMS fad will end very soon, it was just something new so everyone got excited. This is typical..

How do you know all of this?

Were you the "one" who researched this chemical a few years before it was introduced to the BBing community?

Did you have it synthesized by real chemists? Did you invest money into it?


I GUARANTEE YOU THERE IS NO FAD and I know for a "fact" which I am not even get into it here on the forums that some "real" athletes have been using it already as it was available to them since the time it was introduced back in early 2008.

Show SOLID OF PROOF of your claims or do not post anything at all.

C

 

[Carlito B]

There are almost a dozen different anabolic steroids that you could use for specific recomposition goals, with minimal sides and no need for a "hardcore PCT"; Methenolone, Boldenone, Drostanolone, Oxandrolone, fluoxymesterone, Turinabol, Stanozolol, Testosterone undecanoate...

You should also know, there are many different SARMS. None of the SARMs yet developed are truly selective for anabolic effects in muscle or bone tissues without producing any androgenic effects in tissues such as the prostate gland, however several non-steroidal androgens show a ratio of anabolic to androgenic effects of greater than 3:1 and up to as much as 10:1, compared to testosertone which has a ratio of 1:1.


These are the SARMS currently available:

AC-262,356[10]
Andarine ("S-4") - partial agonist, intended mainly for treatment of benign prostatic hypertrophy
BMS-564,929 - mainly affects muscle growth, intended as general treatment for symptoms of andropause
JNJ-28330835.[11][12]
LGD-2226 - affects both muscle and bone
LGD-3303[13]
Ostarine [14] - affects both muscle and bone, intended mainly for osteoporosis but also general treatment for andropause
S-23 - under development as a male hormonal contraceptive[15]
S-40503 - selective for bone tissue, particularly low virilization, intended for osteoporosis and may be suitable for use in women

^ Piu F, Gardell LR, Son T, Schlienger N, Lund BW, Schiffer HH, Vanover KE, Davis RE, Olsson R, Bradley SR (March 2008). "Pharmacological characterization of AC-262536, a novel selective androgen receptor modulator". J. Steroid Biochem. Mol. Biol. 109 (1-2): 129–37. doi:10.1016/j.jsbmb.2007.11.001. PMID 18164613.
^ Zhang X, Li X, Allan GF, Sbriscia T, Linton O, Lundeen SG, Sui Z (January 2007). "Serendipitous discovery of novel imidazolopyrazole scaffold as selective androgen receptor modulators". Bioorganic & Medicinal Chemistry Letters 17 (2): 439–43. doi:10.1016/j.bmcl.2006.10.035. PMID 17079140.
^ Allan GF, Tannenbaum P, Sbriscia T, et al. (2007). "A selective androgen receptor modulator with minimal prostate hypertrophic activity enhances lean body mass in male rats and stimulates sexual behavior in female rats". Endocrine 32 (1): 41–51. doi:10.1007/s12020-007-9005-2. PMID 17992601.
^ Vajda EG, López FJ, Rix P, Hill R, Chen Y, Lee KJ, O'Brien Z, Chang WY, Meglasson MD, Lee YH (February 2009). "Pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics of LGD-3303 [9-chloro-2-ethyl-1-methyl-3-(2,2,2-trifluoroethyl)-3H-pyrrolo-[3,2-f]quinolin-7(6H)-one], an orally available nonsteroidal-selective androgen receptor modulator". J. Pharmacol. Exp. Ther. 328 (2): 663–70. doi:10.1124/jpet.108.146811. PMID 19017848.
^ Kearbey JD, Gao W, Narayanan R, et al. (2007). "Selective Androgen Receptor Modulator (SARM) treatment prevents bone loss and reduces body fat in ovariectomized rats". Pharm. Res. 24 (2): 328–35. doi:10.1007/s11095-006-9152-9. PMID 17063395.
^ Jones A, Chen J, Hwang DJ, Miller DD, Dalton JT (January 2009). "Preclinical characterization of a (S)-N-(4-cyano-3-trifluoromethyl-phenyl)-3-(3-fluoro, 4-chlorophenoxy)-2-hydroxy-2-methyl-propanamide: a selective androgen receptor modulator for hormonal male contraception". Endocrinology 150 (1): 385–95. doi:10.1210/en.2008-0674. PMID 18772237.

WRONG ABOUT THE S-4, did you modified your "copy and paste"?

 

[methadone]

carlito, why is it that everytime someone questions S-4 (as in the compound, not your buddy who sells the stuff) you go on to accuse people of having personal vendettas with the sponsor (your buddy) ?

 

[Carlito B]

carlito, why is it that everytime someone questions S-4 (as in the compound, not your buddy who sells the stuff) you go on to accuse people of having personal vendettas with the sponsor (your buddy) ?

You said it, is my friend and also because is not fair Ross makes false claims without proof.

 

[truckdaddy]

I think that would RADAR but there are others who have done it and have reported no shut down.

C

Radar is is a respected bro for sure, but I am speaking of another vet.

And Ross always has some kind of agenda.

I wont be hanging around elite if he stays on here. Plenty of other boards to go to where he is not.

 

[Ross]

Oh come off it Ross.

"low dosage testosterone" - Otehr's use low doses too. Such as myself and always have done.

"the effects of steroidal esterfication" - You stole that from Anthony Roberts (Conners).

"cOmbining orals" - You wernt the first to add two orals together.

Do you honestly think anything you have ever done is ground breaking? Because its not, by ANYONE's stretch of imagination.

Swifto, you and I both know that I have made many major intellectual contributions to the bodybuilding and steroid community, do a simple google or visit my forums and you'll easily catch a glimpse. Before I came around, everyone believed that "ALL anabolic steroids cause complete HPTA shutdown"!

If nothing more, I stimulate intense intellectual discourse, which only leads to the discovery of new and useful information.

 

[Ross]

Radar is is a respected bro for sure, but I am speaking of another vet.

And Ross always has some kind of agenda.

I wont be hanging around elite if he stays on here. Plenty of other boards to go to where he is not.

I have no agenda, and I have nothing against any of the fine sponsors here at Elite Fitness. I am simply stating the facts about sarms, which is only to benefit the forum.

You can go to other boards that discourage the exchange of ideas, there are plenty out there.