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I bet it'd piss mainstream media off nicely if this keeps up.
I bet it'd piss mainstream media off nicely if this keeps up.
Ron Paul's growing support
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lartinos
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He must have them atleast a little scared I'd think. People love the internet and they trust it more than TV.
I laffed.
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lartinos
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lol, that would be horrible! But the school systems sucks now too !
We know. We've read your posts.
Lolllolololol
It's going to happen if your homie is elected.
I'm honestly curious why you follow a man that would happen under, since you're really the first one around here to hate on the concept of God/organized religion. There's a big difference between a school giving kids a shitty education, and a school giving kids a shitty education and having a picture of Jesus and praying in the classroom, no?
Or is it just that you think it's ok that religion will infiltrate classrooms because it's a lesser evil than things that may happen under other potential presidents?
PICK3
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lot of heathens up in this bish!
Ever since that priest touched his no-no spot
bakemeacookie
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he should do speeches in 50,000 seat rose bowls. I bet that'd tick off his competition! lol
javaguru
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Interesting, I haven't watched or read that position from him, can you cite a reference? Generally speaking, Libertarians are against government run schools and the federal government mandates.
Did I say at some point that Ron Paul was for federal government mandates?
That's exactly what he's against.
A. Ron Paul believes schooling should be a local/state government matter, not a federal one.
B. Ron Paul does not believe in a separation of church and state.
B. Ron Paul thinks local/state govt should determine whether prayer and religion be included in schools.
C. Ron Paul thinks the establishment of religion should also be a local/state matter.
What do you think those things would all result in if you put them in a big pot of Ron Paul as president soup with a dash of Protestant?
That's right, plenty of (not all) American public schools that have pictures of Jesus right up there by the flag and Bibles by their history books. It would be naive to believe differently.
I never said he wanted to federally add religion to public schooling. And in his defense, he believes no student or person should be forced to pray. And that's nice, but apparently he also believes local govt should decide whether those same students should be forced to sit in a classroom with an idolized picture of a god they don't believe in. And that would happen without a doubt in plenty of schools across the country.
It's just funny to me. What's scary to me about Ron Paul is that everybody can think of something that, if deregulated, would benefit them and forget all the things they'd be totally against that would happen in plenty of places.
FTR, I'm for a lot, maybe even most of the things Ron Paul is also for, but I'm against some major ones.
I just started asking bc I was curious if someone so pro-deregulation and so anti-religion had thought through just what making these matters local would do, and how he felt about that.
I just started asking bc I was curious if someone so pro-deregulation and so anti-religion had thought through just what making these matters local would do, and how he felt about that.
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lartinos
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This thread is about Ron not me..
But since you mentioned it, I believe our civil liberties have been trampled on and we need Ron or an independent like him to help get those rights back for us. (even a little bit)
I really like his straight forward nature and honesty.
People only talk about his age and other BS because if we are just talking about who is the best candidate, it is a slam dunk for Ron.
Romney will keep the War economy going and will not get the troops out of Afghanistan either of course.
I'm sick of seeing Americans coming back with no limbs or worse. (Dead)
A vote for Romney is a death sentence for Both Americans and Non-Americans for sure.
Ron Paul is the guy that I want to win.
Rick Santorum was a terrible bullshit artist at the debates if you missed them by the way.
But since you mentioned it, I believe our civil liberties have been trampled on and we need Ron or an independent like him to help get those rights back for us. (even a little bit)
I really like his straight forward nature and honesty.
People only talk about his age and other BS because if we are just talking about who is the best candidate, it is a slam dunk for Ron.
Romney will keep the War economy going and will not get the troops out of Afghanistan either of course.
I'm sick of seeing Americans coming back with no limbs or worse. (Dead)
A vote for Romney is a death sentence for Both Americans and Non-Americans for sure.
Ron Paul is the guy that I want to win.
Rick Santorum was a terrible bullshit artist at the debates if you missed them by the way.
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lartinos
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Having local governing is the way to go, I am not moving Texas anytime ever.
My flight to Mexico is about to leave, hopefully Ron wins. Ttyl folks..
My flight to Mexico is about to leave, hopefully Ron wins. Ttyl folks..
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So basically you don't care if Jesus is forced upon students as long as its not done in your backyard?
That's totally not a problem at all.
So basically you don't care if Jesus is forced upon students as long as its not done in your backyard?
That's totally not a problem at all.
Libertarians are generally against the government suppressing religion and religious expression in public, or the establishment of religion or religious expression by the govt.
The pic of Jesus is totally a Catholic thing though
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lartinos
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So basically you don't care if Jesus is forced upon students as long as its not done in your backyard?
That's totally not a problem at all.
There will always be ignorant people,
If they choose to be that way the government should not intervene.
I am for less government, even if it means state governments can make mistakes like that. Just like I think the states should be able to make marijuana legal.
The Fed needs to STFU and leaves things to the local government.
As much as I am for doing away with religion, we are not ready in all the regions Of this country to do so at this time.
We may never be, and that is terrible.. But you can't just force people to be intelligent over night. Ron Has a great approach, which is why he gains power every day.
My layover is done...
interesting watching our next president in debate action.
obama zealots are such funny creatures
I'm at work so I on my phone and can't go research something to quote, but I will when I get home.
Really my second B (realize I used B twice, oops) and C are the same thing, which is to say Ron Paul thinks displays of religion in state buildings i.e. schools, courthouses, etc. should be left up to local governments and that the Federal government should have no say in the matter.
He says as much in his We The People Act.
He says often that our founders would be disgraced if they saw the Constitution being used to keep religion out of school or things like the 10 commandments out of courthouses.
bakemeacookie
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romney has twice as many fb fans as paul. Ron's doing lousy at getting the young voters.
machine23
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That's your first problem right there, forming that opinion from Facebook
studlife22
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I also believe Ron Paul to be the best current candidate. I especially appreciate his views on the economy and improving our financial situation by eliminating foreign aid. It is negligent to be sending money we don't have to assist foreign countries when our domestic problem have not been taken care of.
lol nice ava
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Spartacus
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do you play with yourself while sucking cock?
What percentage of our national economy do you suppose foreign aid makes up?
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lartinos
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Ya, he's from Texas.
I've never heard him say any loony stuff or even say "jebus" once.
I never said I thought he was a perfect either.But I do agree with him on just about everything he says.
(from reading/debates I've seen)
Do I wish he was against religion as harshly as I am?
No I don't, because he is running for president and not office here in New York.
(I want him to win)
mrplunkey
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And Ron Paul would be correct. He's also correct in the notion that the mere existence of public schools should be a state/local issue.
The constitution is designed to chain-down the government (I believe the "chain" reference came from Jefferson). And items that are not the explicit right of the federal government are deferred to the states.
PICK3
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heathen alert!
Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
mrplunkey
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I totally agree with that. Religion has absolutely zero place in establishing common law.
If there is some strong religious principle that the majority of people in a state support, then pass a specifc law to enact it. That's perfectly legal. But the idea that laws would be derived from some underlying religious principle is explicitly what the religious freedom aspect of the constitution set-out to prevent.
javaguru
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Well, I support the 10th Amendment but the establishment clause trumps state action in religion.
Like eliminating Happy Hour in Utah? Why should the Mormons care what non-Mormons are doing?
the mormon theocracy is disgusting i agree fully.
If it's that important to a non-mormon, I suppose they could move.
That looks like it's going to happen anyway. Should the federal gov't be able to step in and say they can't do that and happy hour should be allowed?
Why then allow states to make their own laws anymore? Let the federal gov't run all these bitches!
mrplunkey
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That's a great example.
Some people think it's a bad idea to offer financial incentives for people to drink within a limited timeframe -- particularly when the vast majority of those people are just leaving work and will be driving home afterward.
Other people just want to inhibit drinking in general (and I assume a subset of those are Mormons).
If enough of those people can get a bill passed that bans happy hour, what's the problem with it?
The law has nothing to do with the Mormon religion, but some of the motivation behind limiting alcohol sales is clearly religiously-driven.
What if a bar wanted to offer an incentive that if you could drink seven shots of any drink within 30 seconds, all seven shots are free? Is that a good idea too?
