Requesting Cycle Critique...

[goin on 4T]

Ok, well that is what i get for watching tv and EF at the same time. Lol.
So it is your second cycle that is a disaster. Thanks for the correction. Wow too bad you are so upset at people who are trying to help you.
Good luck out there bro.


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[burnthiscorpse]

Wowwwww.... Man at all the negativity, lol. And it is negativity...

burnthiscorpse: You're gonna hate on me for what, man? Sayin that I haven't ever heard but massive amounts of positive feedback from folks regarding Nolvadex? And this isn't just scrap I've read, this stuff hear from flesh and blood people that I talk to face to face that have a lot of freaking experience doin this stuff. I have been a GNC store manager for a long time, and it has brought about in me a very skeptical nature regarding the claims people and company's make about products. If you are freaking hating on me because I challenge you to back up a claim you are making, then feel free to jump off my thread. I want people on here that are willing to back up their sh*t with some science. I got a buddy that says all GNC products are garbage because they, literally in his words, 'make my tummy ache'... well... just because it doesn't go over well with some doesn't mean that the science behind the product is no longer valid. And I have read some pretty legit science on it. .... oh.... but wait.... I forgot.... I suppose to just take the word of some shmo I just discovered existed today!... not because he is a pro bodybuilder, or a scientist, or a professional competition bodybuilding trainer, or any of those things, but I'm just suppose to believe him cause he thinks I should. And he gets pissy and starts hating on me just because I ask him to back up what he says. Don't act like you know me. Don't assume you're better than me. Don't think your post count equals your knowledge on AAS and the products related to it. I never ever even said you were wrong dude... I just asked you to explain why you believe what you were recommending was better. Am I just suppose to take every person's advice without question? Get real, and stop whining when someone ask you to back up your sh*t. Trust me dude, I see people like you all the time at GNC, people that make claims about products and just expect others to believe them just because they said it.


Goin on 4T: I don't even know what to say... Wait... yes I do... Go back and read the first post in this thread and realize how many things you said made you look like and idiot...



I swear... I started this thread all pumped and excited, and have put so much time into my research and constructing a solid cycle... Ya'll know how to suck the positive attitude right out of somebody. Wait, I know what I'll do. What I should have done in the first place. Not waste my time arguing with people that make claims but don't back them up, and wait for the real advice. So please, anybody out there that has something positive to say, or something negative even, but are willing to back it up with some legit science, please feel free to help me out.

All criticism is welcome, just give me reason to believe you other than just taking your word on it.

LOL....your whining bro. How I talk is how I talk. If you're offended by it then thats your problem. I dont really care. I suppose I didnt present a shred of evidence did I? I didnt give you a bunch of reasons did i? Must not hold water cause I didnt supply a link to something typed on a page. Its hilarious that you need convincing to NOT take a shitty drug with a list of sides one of which is very serious. Ask the guy in his 30's who posted on here about having a stoke after a blood clot from taking nolva. But then I didnt dig you up a link so thats no good. If I want to feel like shit and have my joints hurt the first thing I would do is take some molva.
Take your nolvadex bro. Take a ton of it. I could give a shit what you do. I could give a fat rat's brown hairy ass. Its obvious you came here to ask advise of people who have way more experience than you. Then either take their advice because they have pretty much seen it all and done most of it...or STFU about it. We get threads every day from people just like you. It gets old. When people start PM'ing YOU saying "thanks bro for changing my pct...I will never run nolva again...or clomid. I have never felt so good on pct" Then you can come here and quote your statistics. Experience and tangible results trump your reading and research. Not to mention Blood work. Ever get bloods done bro? Pre, intra and post cycle? I have done blood work specifically to see what HCgenerate and unleashed do. Because I'm the most skeptical fucker around. I go every 3 mos. If there is a change in free or total T or estro then I know why.
I have been doing this shit for years. So you go ahead and run with your 1 cycle and reading. Experience > your reading. There are only about a hundred vets here that will back me up.
And what the fuck does post count have to do with anything? Thats the stupidest shit I have ever heard. Wow i have almost 6k posts.... yeah in 12 years. Wow thats a ton huh. Like the guys that have been here 2 years and have 20k posts.
....And saying your the manager at the worst overpriced supplement ripoff store on the planet is going to give your posting some merit???? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL that is theeeeee funniest shit I have ever heard. Preach GNC around here bro and you'll get drawn and quartered. Maybe you can sell me some $85 whey that I can drive down the road to a real store and pay $35 less for.

 

[EyadinKnight]

OK man. I'm dropping it. I just got to weigh your advice against the advice of others and try to use objective methods to figure out which one has the most merit. Remember, it's not just my personal studies that tell me to go with Nolvadex, but other people, kinda like you, but instead of being online, I know them personally and have seen the results they get. Please don't think I was just being belligerent. I was seriously just asking you to explain why you believed what you believed. I was willing to listen. Anyways, you have at the very least caused me to do some research on the matter.

And just to let everyone know, so I don't get drawn and quartered, lol, I wasn't in any way promoting GNC products in my previous post, but was only explaining that my employment there has caused me to question claims made about products, both for and against them, and to rely only on objective, non-biased scientific studies to determine what is true and what is false about a product. I am a GNC store manager because I have a family to support, not because I believe they are the best supplement company to purchase your products from.

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Could anyone help explain to me the use of AI's during my cycle? I mean... at what point do I say, wow, my nipple is a little itchy and puffy, I should start taking my AI... or do I take it the whole time, or what?

Thanks in advance...

 

[JoeBlob]

I would absolutely run an AI the whole time. Lots of people wait until they start noticing high estrogen sides but with Dbol and that high of test you should definitely have your estrogen under control from the start.

I may have read this wrong but are you planning on running a gram of test for the majority of your cycle? First of all, there's no need to ramp it, and second of all you don't need any more than 500 mg/wk. That is way to much for a second cycle.

You are running Anavar for way to long... as well as the cycle itself imo. Stick with a 12 week cycle @ 500mg... Drop the Clen man that shit is terrible for you. You can make your own decisions but that is just my advice. MAKE SURE you have liver support and lipid support while running these orals.

I would run something like this...
Cycle:
(1-12) Test E - 500mg/wk
(1-4) Dbol - 30-40mg ED
(9-14) Anavar - 60mg ED

Supports:
(1-12) Aromasin - 12.5mg EOD
(1-4) n2guard
(4-14) hcg 500iu/wk
(9-14) n2guard

PCT:
I don't give a fuck what you run. But I would advise that you do more research on this over any other part of your cycle. Start it 2 weeks after last pin of Test E.

 

[notjake11]

The advice you're getting from your buddies is based on a very small group of people, I'm guessing most pretty young, with not too much experience under their belts yet. The advice you are getting here is based on the combined/total results of hundreds (maybe even thousands) of members experience. Some of these guys have been doing cycles for 20-30 years or more and some have made it their life's study. The people that run and moderate this site - guys like needtogetaas and dylan - have made AAS their life work and have advanced degrees in the field.

That is the source of the advice to stay away from Nolva and Clen.

I followed the advice I got from Dylan about how to run my first cycle and it was amazing. I'm bridging using SARMs on a regimen needto and dylan suggested and one week in I have dropped over 1.5% bodyfat while upping lean mass and feeling like an absolute god (in the gym, in the mirror and in the bedroom).

Here's an exercise for you. Do some searches here on the forum and try to find examples of people who followed the advice these guys - the same ones trying to help you - that say afterwards they didn't make the progress they wanted. You will find few if any. Now do a search for guys coming here to ask for help after following advice and running cycles based on what their gym buddies did/advised only to end up with tits or a dick that doesn't work anymore. You'll find plenty of examples of that one.