Recovery Issues After PCT

[blue_steel74]

Ok everyone, i have something id like to talk about. I just finished my pct about 3 weeks ago and had bloodwork ran last week. All of my hormones were in a normal range except my test levels. They were 75. The following was my cycle and pct. if anyone can tell me why i havent recovered id appreciate it.

Cycle

Weeks 1-12 Test @350/week
Weeks 3-12 Mast E @400/week
Weeks 6-12 Tren Ace @100/EOD
Weeks 6-12 Var @60mg/week

PCT

Post Cycle
Clomid 25/25/25/25
Tribulus 2400mg/day for 4 weeks
Epic Labs Ressurect (natty test booster)

Currently been running Unleashed for a couple weeks when i had bloods ran.

Somebody tell me whats goin on. Id hate to start callin NTBM products bullshit, but im seriously starting to wonder

 

[Texas Monster]

What were your previous cycles? What is your age? How long did you wait between cycles? Did you run caber or prami on this cycle? Did you run an ai on this cycle? Did you get your bloods checked before cycle? When did you start pct? How long have you been cycling all together? What are your LH and FSH levels? What are your prolactin levels? What are your progesterone levels? What are your TSH, T3, and free T3, T4 levels.

There is a lot of missing info in this post. Fill it in and we can help better.

My initial guess is that you either didnt run the proper ancillaries on cycle or you did not wait long enough between.

 

[Texas Monster]

PS The NTBM products are not BS.

I have cycled up to 2.5 grams of gear in one cycle and stacked deca and tren together and the only thing that has helped me recover Is by using NTBM products.

Especially
PCT+Unleashed
t3-pct
forma
Bridge
HCGenerate
and N2gaurd

You need to pick up some of these items and start running them asap to help you recover. Also you need to stretch out your PCT because the first one you ran was pretty lacking especially for running tren.

Extend your PCT out as the following.

Next two weeks
Forma
DAA
PCT+UNleashed
HCgenerate
clomid 12.5/12.5

Next two weeks
forma
PCT+unleashed
HCgenerate
DAA

Next two weeks
DAA
Forma
Bridge

Next two weeks
DAA
Forma
Bridge.

Now it is important that you are getting bloods done now every 2-4 weeks to see if your HPTA is recovering if it isnt then you might be the next TRT victim.

 

[Nelson Montana]

A few problems with this. First of all tren is harsh and 12 weeks of 60 mgs of an oral is waaaay too much.

POST-CYCLE by Protein Factory? That could help with your numbers and it won;t raise test. UNLEASHED would have increased Free T, but you obviously started it too late.

Clomid will hinder recovery. I know that goes against the standard internet thinking but reality is different that of the internet.

Tribulus can increase estrogen if LH is too low.

Never heard of Resurrect. Are you sure it isn't a prohormone? If so, that will suppress you.

What products were NTBM?!?!???

It looks like you just did things the wrong way. Stop everything and start using UNLEASHED and BRIDGE and give it a couple of weeks.

 

[shuni]

Imo, and no offense to anyone on the forums, but i think some people advocate low dosages of pct drugs and the dosages are simply too low to work. I was in the same boat as you (test level was 73 after pct!!). I had used low dose clomid/nolva. When i found out it hadnt worked, i decided to hit the doses hard and do 2500iu Hcg every 5th day and 100mg clomid ed for 3 weeks. It worked perfectly, testicles got way bigger, i felt better and absolutely no sides at all. So, if i were you, i'd hit it hard with hcg/clomid now. Low doses may work for some, but obviously not for me and u. Good luck!

 

[joeblow12345]

What were your previous cycles? What is your age? How long did you wait between cycles? Did you run caber or prami on this cycle? Did you run an ai on this cycle? Did you get your bloods checked before cycle? When did you start pct? How long have you been cycling all together? What are your LH and FSH levels? What are your prolactin levels? What are your progesterone levels? What are your TSH, T3, and free T3, T4 levels.

There is a lot of missing info in this post. Fill it in and we can help better.

My initial guess is that you either didnt run the proper ancillaries on cycle or you did not wait long enough between.

This^^^. Also unleashed raises free test not total test. And it should have been ran alongside postcycle, daa, and forma with the clomid. I know tribulus is not enough and Im not sure what that other product is. Did you run hcgenerate oncycle and do an hcg blast before pct?

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NTBM REP

 

[Nelson Montana]

Imo, and no offense to anyone on the forums, but i think some people advocate low dosages of pct drugs and the dosages are simply too low to work. I was in the same boat as you (test level was 73 after pct!!). I had used low dose clomid/nolva. When i found out it hadnt worked, i decided to hit the doses hard and do 2500iu Hcg every 5th day and 100mg clomid ed for 3 weeks. It worked perfectly, testicles got way bigger, i felt better and absolutely no sides at all. So, if i were you, i'd hit it hard with hcg/clomid now. Low doses may work for some, but obviously not for me and u. Good luck!

This makes no sense. You said you used clomid and nolva -- but not enough. And then you said you used HCG! THAT is what got your testicles back.

 

[Texas Monster]

Imo, and no offense to anyone on the forums, but i think some people advocate low dosages of pct drugs and the dosages are simply too low to work. I was in the same boat as you (test level was 73 after pct!!). I had used low dose clomid/nolva. When i found out it hadnt worked, i decided to hit the doses hard and do 2500iu Hcg every 5th day and 100mg clomid ed for 3 weeks. It worked perfectly, testicles got way bigger, i felt better and absolutely no sides at all. So, if i were you, i'd hit it hard with hcg/clomid now. Low doses may work for some, but obviously not for me and u. Good luck!

Do not do this!!!!!!!!

Running HCG will just suppress you.

You need to be trying to recover and should of done this before coming off cycle.

Running HCG and Clomid together will not help you recover at all because you will be suppressed by the HCG.

 

[joeblow12345]

Imo, and no offense to anyone on the forums, but i think some people advocate low dosages of pct drugs and the dosages are simply too low to work. I was in the same boat as you (test level was 73 after pct!!). I had used low dose clomid/nolva. When i found out it hadnt worked, i decided to hit the doses hard and do 2500iu Hcg every 5th day and 100mg clomid ed for 3 weeks. It worked perfectly, testicles got way bigger, i felt better and absolutely no sides at all. So, if i were you, i'd hit it hard with hcg/clomid now. Low doses may work for some, but obviously not for me and u. Good luck!

Did you have bloods after to confirm this worked. Hcg alone will increase the size of your balls. He didnt run pct or the cycle correctly and thats why it failed.

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[stevesmi]

without knowing your LH no one can speculate on anything yet.

secondly you were on previously for long periods of times bro, we have talked a lot the past month or two. you are gonna need way way way longer than this to recover. running one cycle is one thing, but running back to back to back to back cycles like you have been doing without giving yourself time to recover this is totally normal.

also it is false that tren takes a long time to recover. see my logs.. i recovered quickly and so have plenty of guys i have helped through PM's.. just not true that tren is somehow more tougher to recover from than other AAS. thats a total myth and there is no evidence that is the case

 

[joeblow12345]

without knowing your LH no one can speculate on anything yet.

secondly you were on previously for long periods of times bro, we have talked a lot the past month or two. you are gonna need way way way longer than this to recover. running one cycle is one thing, but running back to back to back to back cycles like you have been doing without giving yourself time to recover this is totally normal.

also it is false that tren takes a long time to recover. see my logs.. i recovered quickly and so have plenty of guys i have helped through PM's.. just not true that tren is somehow more tougher to recover from than other AAS. thats a total myth and there is no evidence that is the case

He left that part out about running cycle after cycle.

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[muscleaddiction]

without knowing your LH no one can speculate on anything yet.

secondly you were on previously for long periods of times bro, we have talked a lot the past month or two. you are gonna need way way way longer than this to recover. running one cycle is one thing, but running back to back to back to back cycles like you have been doing without giving yourself time to recover this is totally normal.

also it is false that tren takes a long time to recover. see my logs.. i recovered quickly and so have plenty of guys i have helped through PM's.. just not true that tren is somehow more tougher to recover from than other AAS. thats a total myth and there is no evidence that is the case

Hmmm...so the truth comes out, back to back to back cycles??? Some information left out?

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[stevesmi]

This^^^. Also unleashed raises free test not total test. And it should have been ran alongside postcycle, daa, and forma with the clomid. I know tribulus is not enough and Im not sure what that other product is. Did you run hcgenerate oncycle and do an hcg blast before pct?



NTBM REP

yep this is what I was thinking too.

unleashed or any natty supp is gonna make you feel good during PCT, but its up to the body to recover. you can use clomid, hcg to cheat the LH but its still up to the body to recover in the end. it takes time

 

[stevesmi]

I will bet my left nut that that 73 total test is NOT your own body producing test at all. that is the remnants of the test left from your cycle showing up.

your LH is probably at .01 and you are shutdown.

until ALL THE TEST is out of your system your LH will NOT pick up yet. this is why its important to stay on PCT and not stop right now. but again this is my best guess, without seeing what your LH is we cannot make a more accurate guess as to what is going on.

if you didn't allow yourself ample time to recover in between your previous cycles it could take months for you to recover.

 

[shuni]

Like i said, i dont mean to offend anyone who recommends low doses or other supps. I just told the OP what seemed to work for me and what didnt work, he can take it or leave it. Sorry if it "made no sense" to you. Just trying to help

 

[Nelson Montana]

Do not do this!!!!!!!!

Running HCG will just suppress you.

You need to be trying to recover and should of done this before coming off cycle.

Running HCG and Clomid together will not help you recover at all because you will be suppressed by the HCG.

That is incorrect.

HCG will neither suppress or restore HPTA function. It just gets the testicles producing testosterone for a weeks or so, which makes it a good "kickstart" to recovery and nothing more.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Like i said, i dont mean to offend anyone who recommends low doses or other supps. I just told the OP what seemed to work for me and what didnt work, he can take it or leave it. Sorry if it "made no sense" to you. Just trying to help

I understand. But the information is wrong.

 

[blue_steel74]

Ok, ill answer each of ur posts individually tomorrow when i have time. But to sum up everything, i have ran 6 cycles since 2010 and the first couple had shitty pcts bc i was in the dark about pct. but the last 3 have had alot of OTC test boosters and clomid. Now i didnt come across EF til last summer, so ive done the best i can so far. But yes, i have ran numerous cycles back to back and have had a script for HRT since January. I ran it at my prescribed dose when i got it and when i decided to stop it, i was 2 weeks from contest prep so i was on for 7 months this year without HCG.

So, yes i have probably made some poor choices but i took all precautions about ancillarys besides hcg or hcgen. And yes me and Steve have talked alot about some things, so dont think your advice has fallen on deaf ears Steve.

 

[blue_steel74]

A few problems with this. First of all tren is harsh and 12 weeks of 60 mgs of an oral is waaaay too much.

POST-CYCLE by Protein Factory? That could help with your numbers and it won;t raise test. UNLEASHED would have increased Free T, but you obviously started it too late.

Clomid will hinder recovery. I know that goes against the standard internet thinking but reality is different that of the internet.

Tribulus can increase estrogen if LH is too low.

Never heard of Resurrect. Are you sure it isn't a prohormone? If so, that will suppress you.

What products were NTBM?!?!???

It looks like you just did things the wrong way. Stop everything and start using UNLEASHED and BRIDGE and give it a couple of weeks.

I didnt run 12 weeks of an oral. 6 weeks of var, not 12

 

[Nelson Montana]

Ok everyone, i have something id like to talk about. I just finished my pct about 3 weeks ago and had bloodwork ran last week. All of my hormones were in a normal range except my test levels. They were 75. The following was my cycle and pct. if anyone can tell me why i havent recovered id appreciate it.

Cycle

Weeks 1-12 Test @350/week
Weeks 3-12 Mast E @400/week
Weeks 6-12 Tren Ace @100/EOD
Weeks 6-12 Var @60mg/week

PCT

Post Cycle
Clomid 25/25/25/25
Tribulus 2400mg/day for 4 weeks
Epic Labs Ressurect (natty test booster)

Currently been running Unleashed for a couple weeks when i had bloods ran.

Somebody tell me whats goin on. Id hate to start callin NTBM products bullshit, but im seriously starting to wonder

What was your free T?

 

[stevesmi]

Ok, ill answer each of ur posts individually tomorrow when i have time. But to sum up everything, i have ran 6 cycles since 2010 and the first couple had shitty pcts bc i was in the dark about pct. but the last 3 have had alot of OTC test boosters and clomid. Now i didnt come across EF til last summer, so ive done the best i can so far. But yes, i have ran numerous cycles back to back and have had a script for HRT since January. I ran it at my prescribed dose when i got it and when i decided to stop it, i was 2 weeks from contest prep so i was on for 7 months this year without HCG.

So, yes i have probably made some poor choices but i took all precautions about ancillarys besides hcg or hcgen. And yes me and Steve have talked alot about some things, so dont think your advice has fallen on deaf ears Steve.

yes it is normal what is happening here bro. don't freak out.

I would run hcg, then PCT... back to back to back PCT's too. if you really want to recover. otherwise you will have to stay on HRT, but don't think its gonna be easy man. a 5 or 6 week pct is NOT gonna be enough in your particular situation.

also you should of mentioned you plan on competing or have competed (can't remember) so not like you are some young kid who jumped on roids for no reason. you have high goals you want to achieve.. and i would assume 90% of guys in your shoes also are those that stay on.

now if you ran an inferior pct i bet my right nut that your gains would drop very quickly considering it would take so long to recover, but this pct you have is solid if you added hcg to kickstart it.. i would even add some DAA too. and if you want to speed things up even further HMG as well with the hcg together.

but in no means is recovering gonna be easy after being on 7 months straight like that man. i know your frustrated but I am gonna be upfront with you and say if it takes you JUST several months to recover that will be a great accomplishment

you are gonna have to decide if you want to continue to stay on so you can compete seriously like we talked about or possibly end up on HRT at a young age.. this is why i am not interested in competing myself.. YET. you should talk to muscle addiction who is older than us and has competed/competes on his strategy and how long he stays on etc.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I didn't realize he ran no stop for months. Dude, PCT isn't some magic formula that guarantees complete recovery. It just HELPS recovery.

What you're doing is akin to driving 90mph with your eyes closed and expecting it to be alright because you have your seat belt on.

 

[Texas Monster]

Without having ran HCG on cycle your Recovery is going to be difficult but it will not be impossible. Keep your Will strong and just push through the first 4 weeks because those are going to be the toughest.....especially during leg day.

Have hope though. I just came off a very long and heavy cycle and recovered fine so it can be done!

Next time use HCG on cycle though If you plan on cycling off and you will be in better shape. Lesson Learned.

 

[Ezskankens]

There is so much good info!