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Well, if you want to be large, it looks like you need to give up the idea of being lean. You need to put on some fat to get big, but don't go overboard. Also, from the looks of it, you are not ready for steroids. Try to pack on some lbs naturally, and see how you do, then go from there.
 
I'm scared of packing up Lbs , GETTING LOVEHANDLES , then getting stuck there.... Who do you think I should CONSULT to get a good clean weight gaining diet??
 
honsetly not trying be a jerk but i looked like you in 8th grade. start eating and lifting heavy. your foundation doesnt look mature enough to start using gear. i think you would agree
 
I DEFINATELY DO... Only been hitting the gym since December 2002.... Not that long for trial and error .... But I have educated myself GREATLY in this subject...
 
powergenics2 said:
I DEFINATELY DO... Only been hitting the gym since December 2002.... Not that long for trial and error .... But I have educated myself GREATLY in this subject...
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you havent even been working out for a year and you turn to gear. truly sad
 
DaddyX said:
honsetly not trying be a jerk but i looked like you in 8th grade. start eating and lifting heavy. your foundation doesnt look mature enough to start using gear. i think you would agree
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ROFL
 
powergenics2 said:
I DEFINATELY DO... Only been hitting the gym since December 2002.... Not that long for trial and error .... But I have educated myself GREATLY in this subject...
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your ripped tho atleast
 
powergenics2 said:
I DEFINATELY DO... Only been hitting the gym since December 2002.... Not that long for trial and error .... But I have educated myself GREATLY in this subject...
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Oh No! Not another one. :rolleyes: Too early for gear....wait a few years. You look like you could still use a more solid foundation. You look like you have a good start though.
 
powergenics2 said:
Right now im going to continue reading !!
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WTF r u talking about.. you had a thread u obviously deleted saying you were on a fina/test cycle. your confusing me bro
 
I don't nescaserrily believe the whole 'mature' and 'get a foundation' arguements, I think people say this, so you lift longer, get more experience and learn things along the way, so you won't go into gear unprepared and waste it, or end up in a lot of trouble if you don't know what you're doing, all in all it's the users choice, I don't see how increased protein synthesis/cortisol reduction (effects from gear) and others depending on what type of gear have anything to do with a certain time they should be run, they speed up the process, and prevent catabolism of muscle, so in essence it's just more efficient bodybuilding....

just be sure you're ready, only the user can ultimately make the descision... be confident in when it's time and don't run crazy ass dosages first time, be reasonable, logical, and knowledgable.
 
I am on a Fina 100mg / eod and test 250mg/week cycle at the moment! I have upped my cals, protein, and carb intake... Lets see what my results would be...
 
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Thats a very low dosage cycle no confusion in there!
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the confusion came from u acting like you were just researching and not doing any gear presently. thats how i took it. no big deal.. goodluck with your cycle bro
 
I don't think you look TOO bad. You've got good traps, decent chest and shoulders. The real lagging parts appear to be arms and lats. If you brought these up you'd look a lot bigger IMO.

Jacob
 
I got to give you credit for posting your pics. You will be fine your still young. Keep lifting hard and setting new goals. You will be a FREAK before you know it. Good Luck bro........TAPOUTM
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I don't care how long you've been working out for...if you want to juice then do it. If you have worked out a while and know what your doing, know what works for you as far a diet and exercises, you'll be happy. If not you're just throwing money away on steroids, which you should spend on lots of food, but it is your money, only downside for me is that guys like you keep prices high on the street.

By the way, thanks for not posting pictures of your legs.
 
Hey bro, you've got to start eating more. Eat to grow tells part of the equation. Learn how to get the most out of lifing heavy and good form. Wait for a few years before going to the next level. Build a good foundation and go on that. You have got the right idea, just think BIG. BIGBIZ
 
Bro dont worry u kinda look like me, except im about about 60 pounds heavier...

But at least ur very lean and when u do decide to juice it up ull probably get nothing but siiiick results since theres nothing for u to lose.....
 
120lbs........LMFAO,

Just asking cause im around there too i guess, but weigh 193lbs.

Give the kid a break though ive seen worse, and at least hes at low bf already so less work for him....
 
how old are you?
i would defineitly switch to heavy compound lifts for a while, get some mass on ya. eat like a slut too.
 
how tall?
listen to the bros in here. I'm 32 did my first cycle last at 31 after 7+ years of on/off lifting. I still think I should have waited a bit more to learn more proper dieting and lifting routines.
 
babbabuee said:
how tall?
listen to the bros in here. I'm 32 did my first cycle last at 31 after 7+ years of on/off lifting. I still think I should have waited a bit more to learn more proper dieting and lifting routines.
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you probably should have waited, 7 yrs on/off equals about 3 years of lifting.
 
Don't listen to the negative comments. You can definitely add a bunch more mass naturally; you just need to start eating more. Do more compound lifts and keep pushing forward. Since you've juiced already I can say you obviously haven't been eating enough. That's not meant to be an insult, but you could've made better gains naturally at your age.

You just need to get your diet and training in check before starting with gear again. Until you do that you're just wasting your money. I would give it a year or two and if you're eating and training right you'll already have a good solid base and be able to take advantage of steroids.
 
You have got some guts to post your pics like this and a lot of guys on here won't do that so I give you credit. You seem to have some decent genetics so take advantage of it. You need to start geting in those cals and packing on the mass. Don't be afraid of gaining a little body fat as diet can take care of that later. Your main goal should be mass so hit the weights hard and get in that food. E-mail me and we'll go over something to help you achive your goals

M18
 
karma to you mustang for helping this bro out.
and powergen, props to you for coming in here and taking your medicine like a man. So you did a cycle a bit before you should have, so did a lot of guys in here. Keep positive and if you take anything from this post, EAT EAT EAT.
 
oatmeal
pasta
mixed beans
bread
eggs
nuts (cashews taste damn good)
soy milk
pitas
pizza
lentils
broccoli
couliflower
romaine lettuce
protein powder could be handy if you don't have some already.
 
The basics:
Eggs
Tuna
Chicken Breast
Oatmeal
Milk
Potatoes
Broccoli
Lettuce

My favorite food for gaining muscle are chicken cutlets fried in an egg wash. They're always great even when I'm tired of eggs alone or chicken alone.

Another staple of mine is a big tuna, hard boiled eggs, and lettuce salad. I make an italian dressing out of garlic, balsamic vinegar, and olive oil for that salad. Gives me plenty of fiber, EFA's, and protein, and it's just a salad! I eat it with lunch and dinner. You can throw in different veggies each day for variety (carrots, tomatoes, zucchini, etc)
 
powergenetics, how much winny did you cycle? how did you cycle it?

and how many cycles have you done overall? you look good and ripped though, how much cardio do you do?
 
never EVER have I EVER done cardio!!! I know its weird... I just eat REAL REAL CLEAN!!! Not to many carbs AND PAST THE ROOF with protein!! I did 2 cycles that both consisted of winny at 20 cc's each of winstrol depot made from Zambon!! GOOD SHIT!!
 
You look okay, but you're tiny bro. I'm not going to tell you to gain natually but if you want to gain at all you need to eat. Abs are nice but you have no back/shoulders/arms, and I'm sure you have no legs either. Your chest is coming along though and I doubt you weight 170, although I could be wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing you at all, just giving it to you straight. You just need to eat more in order to grow. Good luck.
 
oh jubie....enough....constructive critisism or get the hell off the board......1000-1 you've never been ripped to shreds, so cut the crap with the "tiny" remarks....does nothing to help.........

Nice work bro - slowly pack on some more mass and you'll be well on your way!
 
lack of carbs is whats hurting your growth, especially for your body type, also get you some mct oil and work your way up to 2tbsp. a meal and u will grow, and while your off juice try creatine if u havent yet.
 
I'll take a different angle at it.

What are your goals? What do you want to achieve from bodybuilding?

I ask this cause in these 4pages of replies you got a bunch of people telling you that you are small, you need to grow, blah blah. It all comes down what you want though.

Do you want to compete eventually?
Do you want to just gain a little bit more of muscle?

You won't know this now, but very few of the people that posted on this thread are huge and ripped at the same time. It's usually one or the other, and sometimes neither.

Just tell us what you are looking for and I am sure people will help you out. If you just post pics at a bodybuilding board, they will tell you what to do based on how they see is best ... not how you should be based on your opinion.

I took a lot of the advice here and ballooned up to 260lbs @ 6'3. Then I looked at myself in the mirror and realized I was fat. I don't need that. Noone here is a pro bodybuilder, so could we stop with the bulking to be a pig routine?

You are already pretty cut. Just tell us what you wanna achieve. :)

If you wanna gain size, first thing most people will tell you is to increase your carbs. Noone became mr. olympia listening to atkins.

-sk
 
Who the hell are you and why are you talking to me? Your 1000-1 bet just fell through. I'm Shorter than power, 35-40lbs. heavier and 5-6 percent bodyfat. Get the hell off the board? Your a nothing little piss ant without the guts to be honest.
 
bro just because you need to bulk up doesn't mean you need to get fat. too many people confuse bulking up with eating whatever the fuck you want and being a fatass. bulk up as in instead of eatin 3 cans of tuna a day, up it to 6 cans. instead of 5 whole eggs a day up it to 10 eggs for example. keep increasing your cals/carbs/protein by eating healthy foods (cheating once or twice a week will not hurt) and you will bulk up will maintaing your vascularity
 
~ThaGame~ said:
bro just because you need to bulk up doesn't mean you need to get fat.
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That's for sure. Lift heavy and be patient. It also helps when you enjoy working out. Do you?

I remember times in college when I would ditch class just to hit the gym!
 
You know what, there are some seriously uneducated, cocky, assholes here. NOT ALL, but for sure SOME. I'd love to see pics of you hulks who are saying that this dudes gear is/was fake, and that he has an 8th-graders build.

If you knew anything other than how to show your ignorance, you'd see that while he definitely isn't Lee Haney, he DEFINITELY has a solid base, and a TON of potential. He has long full muscle bellies in his arms, shoulders, and back, which equates to having the potential to be a freak if he decides to put in as much time in the gym as some of you losers do running your mouths. He obviously has the ability to stay lean as well, which is another benefit that most of you geniuses should've realized.

Bro, I'm not kidding, you really do have the potential to be freaky with the genetics you have behind you. Anyone who has been around the sport, and can see a sculpture before it is complete will tell you this. All these other idiots who are ripping you are doing, is showing how fucking STUPID they are by not noticing the same. Keep it up. Don't use gear again(or yet). You have SO much potential, probably more than most because of your genetics, to achieve incredible results. All I suggest is that you trust what I am telling you, and go with a good diet, and alot of gym work & simply see for yourself. Good luck, and good work!
 
Atomic Punk said:
You know what, there are some seriously uneducated, cocky, assholes here. NOT ALL, but for sure SOME. I'd love to see pics of you hulks who are saying that this dudes gear is/was fake, and that he has an 8th-graders build.

If you knew anything other than how to show your ignorance, you'd see that while he definitely isn't Lee Haney, he DEFINITELY has a solid base, and a TON of potential. He has long full muscle bellies in his arms, shoulders, and back, which equates to having the potential to be a freak if he decides to put in as much time in the gym as some of you losers do running your mouths. He obviously has the ability to stay lean as well, which is another benefit that most of you geniuses should've realized.

Bro, I'm not kidding, you really do have the potential to be freaky with the genetics you have behind you. Anyone who has been around the sport, and can see a sculpture before it is complete will tell you this. All these other idiots who are ripping you are doing, is showing how fucking STUPID they are by not noticing the same. Keep it up. Don't use gear again(or yet). You have SO much potential, probably more than most because of your genetics, to achieve incredible results. All I suggest is that you trust what I am telling you, and go with a good diet, and alot of gym work & simply see for yourself. Good luck, and good work!
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Wow, what a big mouth blowing alot of hot air. That was the most long winded post saying nothing I have ever had the displeasure of reading. Keep it up.
 
jubei said:


Wow, what a big mouth blowing alot of hot air. That was the most long winded post saying nothing I have ever had the displeasure of reading. Keep it up.
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I guess you decided to be the spokesperson for the people to whom I was referring eh moron? Obviously, if you think I "said nothing", you are definitely one of the ignorant morons to whom I was referring. I never mentioned you by name, rather you chose to announce it yourself. Awesome job.
 
I wasn't offended by the insults contained in your earlier rant, but was rather responding to the complete lack of substance in your post. Attacking others whose opions do not match your own is the last act of a desperate mind. Yours must be quite desperate indeed.

I actually didn't bash the kid, but rather did what he asked and gave him a criticism of his pics (lacking bodyparts) and suggested how to improve.

What are you so mad about? The name calling really stings but it makes you look like a child having a temper tantrum. Thanks for coming out though.
 
JKurz1 said:
oh jubie....enough....constructive critisism or get the hell off the board......1000-1 you've never been ripped to shreds, so cut the crap with the "tiny" remarks....does nothing to help.........

Nice work bro - slowly pack on some more mass and you'll be well on your way!
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I think jubei was telling it how it is. really the guy is just skinny. big deal. potential ? yes he has potential. is he ripped ?yes cause he is just an average skinny dude. what more else does he really have. bulk up a bit and he may got something. And bro the guy is tiny. 6' feet tall and 170lbs is tiny, r u reading another thread or something. how the hell do you know what jubei looks like ? o well, your post just didnt make much sense :confused:
 
Actually as of today jubei is 205 lbs.
 
jubei said:
I wasn't offended by the insults contained in your earlier rant, but was rather responding to the complete lack of substance in your post. Attacking others whose opions do not match your own is the last act of a desperate mind. Yours must be quite desperate indeed.

I actually didn't bash the kid, but rather did what he asked and gave him a criticism of his pics (lacking bodyparts) and suggested how to improve.

What are you so mad about? The name calling really stings but it makes you look like a child having a temper tantrum. Thanks for coming out though.
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I wasn't attacking anyone specificly(mentioned no names--they know who they are), and if you "didn't take offense", then why the long, meaningless rant in return? Look man, I'm right, and if you want to keep on whining about what I said pretending I am not, then go right ahead. I am defending this kid from the people who would have it no other way, than to try to rip him down before he gets started. He does have potential. He has great genetics. THAT IS WHAT I was pointing out to not only HIM, but to the blind who know FUCKALL about lifting who can't seem to see it as well. How the fuck is that meaningless? Maybe it isn't meaningFULL to you HULK, but that means nothing to me. If you knew anything, you could see it for yourself, but it appears rather, that you are more apt to critiquing my posts, that you say "aren't about you", yet you seem to take such issue with.:rolleyes:, than you are at learning, helping, or encouraging. If you weren't one of the people who ripped him, then shutup! I wasn't talking to you. Like I said though, you seem to want to be the voice for the ignorance I was referring to, and its a free country, so PLEASE--dont let me stop you.
 
Listen thanks for everything EVERYBODY!! Everybody has gave an opinion and a little help(in their own unique way)... I dont want this POST to get out of control!! Please all I really wanted to know was a good grocery list to buy at the supermarket... Like what to get and how much of it!! I STAY AWAY FROM SUGAR!!! Please help me out or if you want e-mail me with a clean bulking diet thanks! THANK YOU ALL!
 
powergenics2 said:
Listen thanks for everything EVERYBODY!! Everybody has gave an opinion and a little help(in their own unique way)... I dont want this POST to get out of control!! Please all I really wanted to know was a good grocery list to buy at the supermarket... Like what to get and how much of it!! I STAY AWAY FROM SUGAR!!! Please help me out or if you want e-mail me with a clean bulking diet thanks! THANK YOU ALL!
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hey man, if others start attacking eachother it is not your fault. my previous posts on here i was just messing with you. my last piece of advice and you know this is just be patient, eat right, train right and your golden. goodluck bro with everything and im sending you some karma for posting your pics, takes guts. peace
 
Well one last question!! When bulking up and trying to keep some definition or lets say no LOVE HANDLES how many:
CARBS / PROTEIN / FAT / SODIUM should I be intaking per day!! Remember I just weighed myself today and I weigh 165 lbs not 170 lbs so please EVERYBODY help me out to the best of their knowledge!! Thanks a BUNCH!!
 
OMFG, what a shock I was right you don't weigh 170 (as I said in my original post), must be some of my ignorance coming out.
 
power, seriously you need to focus on eating more and training your back/legs/chest like crazy. The split that works best for me is: arms/legs/chest/back/shoulders/rest/ Keep in mind that I eat like a pig but no fast food.
 
jubei said:
OMFG, what a shock I was right you don't weigh 170 (as I said in my original post), must be some of my ignorance coming out.
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Oh boy, he was off by 5lbs. What are you trying to prove?

powergenics: you look like you've got good genetics for keeping low bodyfat. Nobody is telling you to go eat shit food and get fat. If you eat more complex carbs, tons of protein, and essential fats you'll grow muscle. If you see more fat gain than you want, scale back on simple carbs first. If you eat the right food, and plenty of it, you won't get fat. You just have to be watching yourself in the mirror to judge yourself.
 
When bulking up and trying to keep some definition or lets say no LOVE HANDLES how many:
CARBS / PROTEIN / FAT / SODIUM should I be intaking per day??
 
jubei said:
power, seriously you need to focus on eating more and training your back/legs/chest like crazy. The split that works best for me is: arms/legs/chest/back/shoulders/rest/ Keep in mind that I eat like a pig but no fast food.
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Guess you got tired of me bustin you up, so you last-resorted me with the red karma eh loser?! Dude, you have to be like 13 years old to pull some shit like that. And if you aren't, then that is just WAY sad. You're the kind of guy who gets his Mom to call the school when he is getting picked on---and i say that because I assume you're still in high school. And if you aint then...again...WAY WAY sad.. Red Karma....LMAO!!!!
 
Thats what red karma is for retard. Your what in your 40's...way way sad. Why don't you send some red karma back tough guy?

Sorry, I'm not in highschool which is good considering I turn 22 next month. How about you, are you having a mid-life crisis yet? It sure seems that way. You think your something special because you can talk trash on a computer message board.

I'm not going to get lured into a flame war with some nobody who thinks he's a big shot. Seriously though I'm done with you.
 
Atomic Punk said:


Guess you got tired of me bustin you up, so you last-resorted me with the red karma eh loser?! Dude, you have to be like 13 years old to pull some shit like that. And if you aren't, then that is just WAY sad. You're the kind of guy who gets his Mom to call the school when he is getting picked on---and i say that because I assume you're still in high school. And if you aint then...again...WAY WAY sad.. Red Karma....LMAO!!!!
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you didn't bust up anyone, who are you the new big bad bully on the EF block or something?

this is coming from a guy who posted elsewhere that you can't be ripped without the right genetics :rolleyes:
 
Listen .... Both of ya'll please, this is KIDDY shit going back and forth.... How about ya'll meet up in the gym and see who lifts more than who and solve it all!!

Well If possible somebody let me know :

When bulking up and trying to keep some definition or lets say no LOVE HANDLES how many:
CARBS / PROTEIN / FAT / SODIUM should I be intaking per day??
 
Protien: 350grams/day (1600 calories)
Carbs: 250grams/day (1000 calories)
Fats: 100grams/day (800 calories)

Sodium will just make you retain water. Also metabolism is different for every person so you will have to play with these numbers quite a bit to find out what best works for you.
 
I just started using gear and im 31, 205 and have over 15 years in the gym. You looked like I did when I started training at about 15 years old. Your pretty ripped, but for the love of god eat some food and put some more lbs. on the bar before you even think of AS!
 
jubei said:
Protien: 350grams/day (1600 calories)
Carbs: 250grams/day (1000 calories)
Fats: 100grams/day (800 calories)

Sodium will just make you retain water. Also metabolism is different for every person so you will have to play with these numbers quite a bit to find out what best works for you.
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Each
gram of fat = 9 calories.

Each
gram of protein = 4 calories.

Do the
math!



RedHotX:redhot:
 
Each gram of fat is 8 calories but yeah my math was off with the protien.
 
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