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Quick question on post-workout meal

dyermaker

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I like having a protein shake with a sandwich post-workout. I only use one peice of whole wheat bread (Health Nut) with turkey and lettuce. I know you want simple carbs post-workout, but would it really make a difference if I opted for the peice of whole wheat bread (with only 2 grams of fiber) over a peice of white bread?

I always have a protein shake post-workout to help muscle recovery, but are carbs with a high GI necessary (when fat loss is my main goal)?
 
I like having a protein shake with a sandwich post-workout. I only use one peice of whole wheat bread (Health Nut) with turkey and lettuce. I know you want simple carbs post-workout, but would it really make a difference if I opted for the peice of whole wheat bread (with only 2 grams of fiber) over a peice of white bread?

I always have a protein shake post-workout to help muscle recovery, but are carbs with a high GI necessary (when fat loss is my main goal)?

Bread IMO is not a good option whole wheat or other wise. I would suggest having half a granny smith apple or waximaize in your post workout shake. As for bread in general only bread that is not processed to death is ezekiel bread Food For Life Baking Co. | Organic Sprouted Whole Grain Bread & Foods! the rest I wouldn't touch.
 
I like having a protein shake with a sandwich post-workout. I only use one peice of whole wheat bread (Health Nut) with turkey and lettuce. I know you want simple carbs post-workout, but would it really make a difference if I opted for the peice of whole wheat bread (with only 2 grams of fiber) over a peice of white bread?

I always have a protein shake post-workout to help muscle recovery, but are carbs with a high GI necessary (when fat loss is my main goal)?

I don't think there's any perfect formula for post-workout meals, but I think a few things are musts.

I'd recommend your meal be liquid only. If you just completed a hard workout it's advisable to get the protein and some carbs into your body quickly. You can drink 40 grams of high quality protein and 25 good GI carbs and get them into your blood stream much quicker than if you tried to eat a solid meal with that profile. The harder the workout, the greater the immediate need for protein and carbs. The timing of your protein I think is more important than the amount.

The approach I use is to actually consume my "post-workout" drink before the workout. Even a low fat drink will need probably about 3 hours to move entirely into the large intestine. I will drink it about 2 hours before I hit the iron, workout about an hour, then around the time my muscles really need those nutrients, they're beginning to pass through the small intestine into the bloodsteam.
 
Bread IMO is not a good option whole wheat or other wise. I would suggest having half a granny smith apple or waximaize in your post workout shake. As for bread in general only bread that is not processed to death is ezekiel bread Food For Life Baking Co. | Organic Sprouted Whole Grain Bread & Foods! the rest I wouldn't touch.

Recent studies have shown that waximaize is lower in the glycemic index then white bread. It winds up it is actually a slow releasing carb!
Vitargo is the only fast acting one.
Got to love the supplement industry!!!
 
Recent studies have shown that waximaize is lower in the glycemic index then white bread. It winds up it is actually a slow releasing carb!
Vitargo is the only fast acting one.
Got to love the supplement industry!!!

LOL yeah to be honest I am so carb senitive I have not even tried it myself but I have friends that seem to like it.
 
I sent you the link. Check out Will's site once in a while. It is always cutting edge with lab studies etc. He is a very smart guy. I have been lucky to work with him over the years. His newsletter is very interesting also!
 
I sent you the link. Check out Will's site once in a while. It is always cutting edge with lab studies etc. He is a very smart guy. I have been lucky to work with him over the years. His newsletter is very interesting also!

Here is the artical Slat is talking about :)

Holy Spin Doctor Batman! Latest on Wazy Maize…
31 Jul || by Will Brink
Posted in General Brinkzone Stuff, Supplement Science
Holy marketing spin Batman!!!!. This is the same study I wrote about in my article comparing WMS to white bread for Muscular Development and found HERE

First the sellers of waxy maize claim it’s faster absorbing then malto, dextrose and other high GI carb sources, and when this study (and others…) showed that not to be the case, they do a 180 and now claim its benefit is as a slow digesting low GI carb??!!

It’s called marketing folks. You claim one thing, and when all the studies show it’s BS, you simply change your claims!

Now lets see how many of the buying public fall for this…

I hate to say I told you so, BUT I TOLD YOU SO!

Read this with a critical eye, and you will easily see the spin at work:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

University Study Shows Waxy Maize Starch Study Could Serve as Slow, Sustained Energy Source Low Glycemic Carb Could Help Fuel Military Personnel, Endurance Athletes

Irvine, CA – July 30, 2009– Purdue University researchers may have found a new use for an old starch—waxy maize starch—to offer sustained energy delivery to military personnel and endurance athletes.

Waxy maize starch, called ‘waxy’ because of the appearance of the kernel under cross section, was brought from China to the US in the early 1900s. In the study, published in the current issue of Nutrition Research, waxy maize starch was compared to a mixture of maltodextrin and sugars, and to white bread. The study confirmed previous studies showing waxy maize starch to be slowly digested and absorbed, producing a much smaller increase in blood sugar and insulin.

“Waxy maize starch appears to provide slow, sustained delivery of energy to the body,” offered sports nutrition researcher Chad Kerksick, PhD of the University of Oklahoma Department of Health and Exercise Science. “These new findings confirm what we have seen in our study comparing waxy maize starch to maltodextrin.”

In the Purdue study twelve lean and fit young men and women received a 50 gram dose of carbohydrates supplied by white bread, waxy maize starch, or a maltodextrin and sucrose mixture (approximately 3:1 ratio), on three different days. Blood glucose and blood insulin responses to the carbohydrate sources were followed for four hours, along with measurements of calorie burning rate and subjective measurements of appetite and fullness.

The study performed an assessment of the glycemic index, a measure of the excursion of blood sugar relative to a “control” carbohydrate, white bread, and a fast digesting and absorbing carbohydrate source, maltodextrin plus sugar, at 2 and 4 hours after ingestion. At 2 hours, maltodextrin plus sugar achieved a glycemic index of 163, waxy maize starch had a value of 63, and white bread 71. The blood insulin response, influenced by how fast the carbohydrate was digested and absorbed, was 3.5 times higher, and substantially faster in the first hour with maltodextrin plus sugar, and 1.6 times higher with white bread, relative to waxy maize starch. None of the carbohydrate treatments differed in their influence on hunger, appetite, or calories burned.

“This study with waxy maize starch directly refutes what numerous sport nutrition product companies are claiming—that waxy maize starch is fast absorbing and raises insulin sharply,” described Susan Kleiner, PhD, RD, director of High Performance Nutrition, LLC in the Seattle area, and the author of the best selling book Power Eating, Third Edition. “It actually may be best suited for long endurance exercise or for persons who experience blood sugar fluctuations, as blood sugar did not drop below the starting point 4 hours after waxy maize starch but did with maltodextrin plus sugars,” added Dr. Kleiner.

“Although an exercise endurance test was not performed, we and other researchers have shown that at least over a 2 hour period, waxy maize starch does not enhance endurance performance over maltodextrin,” added Dr. Kerksick. “What would be interesting to explore is whether waxy maize starch would shine in ultra-endurance training or competition, in events lasting 4 hours or more. This may be why the military had an interest.”

This study was funded by the US Army, Natick Soldier Research Development & Engineering Center, Combat Feeding Program in Natick, MA.
 
I usually do a banana in my protein shake.. pwo. tada~
Ditto, here, with a splash of milk. I figure if it stops the shaky feeling, something good is happening :)
 
pwo I eat a proper meal and my strength gains especially are the best of my life atm, last workotu I set 11 PR's

I dont take any supps.

just sayin'...
 
pwo I eat a proper meal and my strength gains especially are the best of my life atm, last workotu I set 11 PR's

I dont take any supps.

just sayin'...
You're also a 15 y/o male. Bit of a difference between your metabolism and a woman's. Plus, some of us can't work out until after work, and we can't eat that late.
 
To be perfectly honest I don't always have a shake post work out a lot of time I just have a meal high in protein like egg whites with spinach or chicken and green beans this is especially true for me when contest dieting as my calories are cut so much I don't want to drink any of my meals.
 
You're also a 15 y/o male. Bit of a difference between your metabolism and a woman's. Plus, some of us can't work out until after work, and we can't eat that late.

i admit my metabolism may be higher, but what does the time have to do with it? yesterday I got back from the gym at 9.30pm and ate, then I was eating steak and brocolli again at 11.30pm, I just didnt see what your point was about the time, do you mean you cant cook that late for some reason or you dont want to eat right before bed or what? :confused:
 
i admit my metabolism may be higher, but what does the time have to do with it? yesterday I got back from the gym at 9.30pm and ate, then I was eating steak and brocolli again at 11.30pm, I just didnt see what your point was about the time, do you mean you cant cook that late for some reason or you dont want to eat right before bed or what? :confused:
Metabolism and growth make all the difference, Extra. Right now, your body is doing double duty, you're still growing, plus you're working out hard. When you stop growing your metabolism drops down substantially you go to sleep. Many people find that eating heavy before bed causes them to metabolize the food differently.

Eating a heavy meal like steak just before bed (at least when you're out of your 20s) generally interferes with most people's sleep, giving them heartburn, reflux, bad dreams, etc., if nothing else.

I can't even work out that late and go to sleep at a normal hour. If I'm working out after 8:00 p.m. I won't fall asleep until 2:00 a.m.

My son didn't understand it when he was your age, either. He's 10 years older than you and has been noticing the changes in his metabolism over the past few years.
 
My metabolism crapped out around 30 to 32. I was always very strict on my diet too.
Then my testosterone went. That was even worse.
I have to watch everything I eat now. If I don't work out regularly I am screwed.
If I only eat 3 meals a day I pack on the fat. 6 a day and I start leaning out.
One great thing about getting older is you know your body better!
 
Metabolism and growth make all the difference, Extra. Right now, your body is doing double duty, you're still growing, plus you're working out hard. When you stop growing your metabolism drops down substantially you go to sleep. Many people find that eating heavy before bed causes them to metabolize the food differently.

Eating a heavy meal like steak just before bed (at least when you're out of your 20s) generally interferes with most people's sleep, giving them heartburn, reflux, bad dreams, etc., if nothing else.

I can't even work out that late and go to sleep at a normal hour. If I'm working out after 8:00 p.m. I won't fall asleep until 2:00 a.m.

My son didn't understand it when he was your age, either. He's 10 years older than you and has been noticing the changes in his metabolism over the past few years.
ok, thanks for explaining, i didnt even realise that about eating before bed!

im really not looking forward to growing up:(
 
Extra - you're too cool. Everyone is different, how/what/when we eat is all very individualized. The key is to find what works best for you at the exact age that you are. I think you have it just right! Look at those legs!

Just as a side note:
I've never had a post workout meal in my life, I don't eat the amount of protein that bodybuilding recommends, I practice intermittent fasting on non strength days and I juice (FRUIT and veggies). I've also never ate 6 meals in one day. Now tell me that isn't against the norm.

Everyone is completely different at various stages in life. What we can do as a community is share our own experiences and offer different approaches to try. It is pure bliss when you find what works for you and give up the stereotypical norms of what everyone else thinks works for you.

This is a great thread! Rotten Willow has a great point: "Even a low fat drink will need probably about 3 hours to move entirely into the large intestine." Your body absorbs and releases nutrients nice and slow as it should. It is way more intelligent then it will ever let us on to be. What is more important is how you feel and how your body reflects it.
 
pwo I eat a proper meal and my strength gains especially are the best of my life atm, last workotu I set 11 PR's

I dont take any supps.

just sayin'...

um homie 4 years ago you weren't even in puberty yet. You have essentially no experience to use for comparison. :lmao:

More serious note, right now your body provides you A LOT of latitude in terms of diet and training and still returns relatively easy muscle gains. You have testosterone coming out of your ears. When you get older and the natural gains have pretty much run out, you find you need every trick available to maximize your gains.
 
ok, thanks for explaining, i didnt even realise that about eating before bed!

im really not looking forward to growing up:(
Naaaa, everyone wants to grow up, it's the growing old part that sucks the big hairy wet one :D

There's a very old saying that basically goes: If you hate the idea of growing old, consider the alternative :whatever:
 
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