Question to all the good bro's out there?

[LetsGrow]

Hey everyone! Just wanted to thank everyone again for all their help planning out my next cycle, I am giddy with excitement. Anyhow, my friend is trying to plan out his but unfortunately is traveling a lot lately and can't make it on here, so I am trying to help him out. He too is trying to do some cutting, he has run around 4 cycles in the past, approx 12%bf, 28 years old, 6' tall, lifting since he was 17, diet pretty solid. Question is, he has access to really good sust and tren eth and wanted to know if cutting on two eth's (sust and tren) is possible? He can also get whinny and eq fairly easily as well and would consider adding those into the mix. Looking to run the cycle for 12 weeks.

As far as what I can tell him confidentally, I told him the following:

Sust: 500-750mg/week (weeks 1-12)
Tren: 400-500mg/week (weeks 3-10)

If he wanted to add Whinny, he could run tabs if he wanted at 50-75mg day (trying to save him from pinning everyday lol) and wasn't sure about EQ though(weeks 3-10 also)? He will be running hcg throughout the cycle (starting around weeks 3-4 and going all the way through pct) and using chlomid for pct starting 2 weeks after last pin).

So if you guys could please help me help a brotha out I would really appreciate it, I want to make sure he is getting the best possible advice out there and not mess himself up in the process.

Let me know if you need anymore info for him and I will try and get in touch with him for answers.

Thanks boys!

 

[kiai]

Whats your cycles history ?

and I dont see a reason why you couldn't cut on any compound tren specially is known for it's recomp abilities.

 

[stevesmi]

always run the tren early, this way its out of your system while you continue your cycle and go into PCT. makes recovery easier

 

[Tux]

I cut this spring on 400eq/400tren enth. Worked out beautifully! Got lean and hard as a rock without holding any water... and no problems from the lack of test either, which tends to bloat me a bit. If he runs eq make sure to run it at least 12wks as I don't start seeing results from it till week 5-6. Tren should best end 2wks before other compounds end, as mentioned above, to help ease recovery. Winny the last 4-6wks is nice to help harden up while the long-acting injectables drain out.

 

[Judo Tom]

you can easily cut on just sust. it just comes down to diet/training and dedication.

imo only competitors need things like tren/winny/etc to cut.

whats the goal of a cut... drop bf while keeping muscle... 500mg is plenty to do that with a good diet. that can get most people to around 8-9% if they eat right and train hard.

 

[LetsGrow]

Thanks guys. Yeah he is not a competitor right now, looking to just drop bf and keep as much muscle (if not gain some) as possible.

So would be something like this work then:
EQ: 1-12 500mg/week
Sust: 1-12 750mg/week
Tren E: 3-10 500mg/week
Whinny: 5-12 50-75mg/day (oral)
HCG: 3-20
Chlomid: 14-20

Cardio will be probably 3-5x a week, and a clean diet. His past cycles were pretty basic, test/dbol, test/anavar, and I think he said his last was test/tren. Def looking to lean out and get some quality muscle put on (he is ok if he loses weight, main goal is to really lean out).

He is definately dedicated and works hard, and he really seems to have his diet dialed in, so I am hoping for good results from him, would be nice to compare results with each other since it looks like we might be running cycles close in time frame to each other.

Any other suggestions boys? YOu guys rule!

 

[Judo Tom]

about 2 g of gear? oh im sure it will work.. but thats like killing an ant w/ a sledge hammer

 

[LetsGrow]

LOL...thanks Tom. What should his expectations be though based on a cycle like this though?

 

[Judo Tom]

high bp
terrible lipids
night sweats
problems sleeping
increased appetite
anxiety


hahaha but im serious.. thats a lot of gear and if you are cutting there is very little point to doing so.. i see no point in the eq, no point in the winny and thats a lot of tren

if a friend of mine was asking about that much juice while cutting i would really laugh and feel sorry for him.

if he does it.. its a 50/50 thing.. most likely he will lose some fat but he wont be eating right to cut or to gain muscle so it will be a huge waste of gear... i mean he is not gonna like doing cardio on that much gear.. he is gonna think he can gain muscle but he wont eat enough to truly take advantage of it..

so again.. id say just do 500mg of sust... the estrogen and pumps can easily be controlled to the point where it is basically side free.. he can do lots of cardio, eat properly to cut and in 12 weeks can probably end up around 8% and look sick..

sorry just on a low dosage pedestal now to each his own though...

 

[LetsGrow]

So Sust and what else then is your recommendation...500mg/week sust and what else? I know he wants to get get shredded...tren and winny, drop the eq?

Sorry for all the questions, just want to make sure he is not wasting money and doing stuff that is going to help him, not hurt him.

Thanks Tom.

 

[Judo Tom]

if he was gonna add anything else ad say tren or winny to end the cycle.. maybe tren for 6 weeks or winny for 4 weeks.. tren 75mg eod or winny 50mg ed

dont apologize for questions.. thats how everyone learns and gets all sorts of different opinions

 

[LetsGrow]

What about the Tren e he has access to? THat going to work fine for what he wants?

Since I have not used it before, why no EQ? I know it makes you hard/dry/vascular as F***, I do know it can cause hunger (which is not ideal for cutting obviously) but I would think that EQ with Tren and Whinny would be an insane cycle (with sust as base), would just be hard with the appetite thing (if he got that effect from it as I know not everyone does).

 

[Tux]

Tom's point is just that your friend is cutting, and not competing...it doesn't really take that much gear to hold onto muscle while cutting if your diet and training/rest/etc. are on point. All the gear you initially listed is just overkill for mostpeople. Like I said earlier, I cut on 400eq/400tren enth and that was MORE than enough. I'd pick just one or two of those compounds with moderate dosage. I'm a huge fan of tren e for it's recomp abilities, so just 250sust/week and maybe 3-400 tren e/week should be more than enough. Tren can cause cardio to become more difficult for some people, esp. at higher doses, so that's another reason to keep the dosage low. Or he could run moderate doses of test/eq for 12wks. If he can keep his appetite in check on the EQ it does make for very nice vascularity and pumps, and the increased hematocrit helps with cardio as well. Or he could just do 500/week of test, end with 4-6 weeks of winny or tren ace. That's really all he needs unless he were very advanced or trying to get down to 4-5% for competition. People usually use more gear than necessary... I know I used to

 

[ConanX]

As long as his diet and workout routine are in check, your friend will look like an animal with a cycle like that. YES you can cut on Test E/Tren E, you *might* just hold a bit more water or so. Just make sure he's researched Tren so he knows what he is getting himself into.

 

[LetsGrow]

Thanks guys! Def a lot of good info. Think I can safely assume to bring the sust down to 500mg/week and run eq and tren e @ like 400mg/week with MAYBE some winny tabs in there 50mg/day based on how things end up going.

Karma all around!

 

[LetsGrow]

Another question...anyone know why Tren causes insomnia?

 

[PREMO SANTOS]

hey everyone
just a quick question, does anyone know how to play Tic Tac Toe ?

thanks for your help guys

 

[LetsGrow]

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[ConanX]

thanks for your help guys[/quote]
Wish I knew! The lab rats that I have seen use these compounds were locked up in scientific facilities. I don't think anyone on these forums can answer that question since most are just role playing or watching how these anabolics work on animals.

 

[LetsGrow]

wish i knew! The lab rats that i have seen use these compounds were locked up in scientific facilities. I don't think anyone on these forums can answer that question since most are just role playing or watching how these anabolics work on animals.

+1

 

[RADAR]

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