QUestion about shouldrs

[Sub-Zero]

do pushing and pulling with shoulders train different muscles, or do they pretty much do the same thing.

like if you spread shoulders out with ur other parts instead of hammering it all at once, does it overtrain.


what im saying is, does doing military rpess work the same muscles as upright row?

is it acceptable to do shoulder press on lets say monday, and then upright rows on tuesday, or is that working the same muscle

 

[Smurfy]

you can defintely do that. why not do them in the same workout? i will sometimes throw in upright rows when Im also doing OHP and other shoulder movements (like lateral raises, rear raises or DB cleans)

 

[Sub-Zero]

cause i was thinking of spreading shoulders out into 2 days, instead of focusing them all on one.

for example doing overhead press at th eend of my incline day, and then doing upright row at the end of my back day the day after

 

[Smurfy]

why? do you expect different or better results that way? (im just curious)

i wouldnt do a compound movement like OHP at the end if any workout. i would do it first. OHP is not a "finishing" type of movement IMO

 

[Mithrandir]

shoulders are fine to do like that, but I would be careful with your front delts, they are very easy to hurt. bench makes my fronts pretty sore sometimes, so on chest days I will throw in front raises, but not military press also. I do my presses (mil or shoulder press) on seperate days than my benches and raises. mil. press also works the tri's..could you throw them in on that day? Just be careful with your shoulder, it is a shitty injury to have.

Mith

 

[Sub-Zero]

i guess ill make another thread, i just need to change my routine up and i know i always overtrain and fuck shit up, so i wanna get a solid routine i can get on.

so by you saying not to do it at the end of a workout u probably mean i shouldnt be doing it on lets say a leg/shoulder day?

Squats- 4x15
Leg Press- 3x10
Leg Curls- 2x12
Shoulder Press- 4x8
Upright Row- 4x10
Shrugs- 4x10


like that or somethin?

 

[Smurfy]

i mean since OHP is a compound movement, I would put it first in the order of exercises for that muscle group. HOw you have it laid out above would be fine, cuz its your 1st shoulder movement. all those exercises above would wear me to F out in one day.

 

[Sub-Zero]

i mean since OHP is a compound movement, I would put it first in the order of exercises for that muscle group. HOw you have it laid out above would be fine, cuz its your 1st shoulder movement. all those exercises above would wear me to F out in one day.

i have lots of energy, what i do now is really bad, and i know its way too much and takes way too long so i need to switch it up and preferably have it all figured out by tomorrow so i can start my week off- check the other thread please

 

[tzan]

Sublime-I have been training my front delts seperate from my side and rear delts for years and it is by far my favorite way to train. Think about it....when your lifting your chest(assuming your doing heavy pressing movements), your already hitting your front delts pretty hard, and same goes for back and rear delts. My splits look like this:

back/side+rear delts
chest/front delts
off
legs
arms
off
off

Works great. When I train shoulders on their own day, I never feel like they have completly recovered. I would rather kill them completely one day and allow them to rest all week. Here's what my chest/front delts day looks like:

3x6 Incline Press
3x8 Flat Press
3x10-12 Incline Fly
3x6 Overhead Press
3x10 Front Raises

Back/Side+Rear Delts
4x2-8 Deads
3x6 Weighted Pullups
3x10 Rows
3x8 Upright Rows
3x10 Side Raises/supersetted with Reverse Flys

 

[BOOEY]

Sublime-I have been training my front delts seperate from my side and rear delts for years and it is by far my favorite way to train. Think about it....when your lifting your chest(assuming your doing heavy pressing movements), your already hitting your front delts pretty hard, and same goes for back and rear delts. My splits look like this:

back/side+rear delts
chest/front delts
off
legs
arms
off
off

Works great. When I train shoulders on their own day, I never feel like they have completly recovered. I would rather kill them completely one day and allow them to rest all week. Here's what my chest/front delts day looks like:

3x6 Incline Press
3x8 Flat Press
3x10-12 Incline Fly
3x6 Overhead Press
3x10 Front Raises

Back/Side+Rear Delts
4x2-8 Deads
3x6 Weighted Pullups
3x10 Rows
3x8 Upright Rows
3x10 Side Raises/supersetted with Reverse Flys

Hmm .. I like that!

 

[curgeo]

When I was a bodybuilder I trained my front and side delts with chest and my rear delts with back.

Make sure that you don't undertrain your rear delts. A lot of shoulder problems come from not training the rears. If the chest and front delts are strong and the rears are weak.....they will pull on the rear delts causing shoulder problems or more sloped shoulder posture. Rear delt and upper back work are a must for functional strength.