Puzzling shit....Macro,Anthony Roberts,Indy,Satch,Ulter,Radar

[fit2beking]

Here it is guys and gals. I need your help. I am on GTP Test E 500mg wk, GTP EQ 500mg wk, 25mgdbol ed/4weeks. 1 week before my cycle I started using .25mg ldex ed. When I started my cycle I upped it to .5mg and i am still getting itchy nips ever so often. I have used this amount before with no problems. I am VERY prone to gyno. I really want the ldex to keep the bloat down, but this shit is for the birds!! Should I up the ldex to say .75mg or 1mg or should I drop the ldex and jump on my nolva? I have used ldex in the past with no problems but now for some reason my left tit is itchy like a MF. This shit is puzzling me! I know Macro mentioned in another post that Ldex with dbol may not be the Ideal AI to use with it. Should I try aromasin with nolva to combat it? If that is the case I need to make an order to AG-Guys. I got all the nolva and ldex but no aromasin. Or should I just drop the Ldex and just go with the Nolva? Fcuk!!!

 

[anal itch]

I'm using Aromasin (10mg ED) and Nolva (10mg ED) and it's keep the gyno away so far. I was getting sore nips on A-Dex alone. I was using 1mg ED.

 

[fit2beking]

I'm using Aromasin (10mg ED) and Nolva (10mg ED) and it's keep the gyno away so far. I was getting sore nips on A-Dex alone. I was using 1mg ED.

What were you using cycle wise? I am wondering if the dbol is somehow over powering my ldex. Kinda hard to think that when I am only using 25mg.

 

[bbkingpin]

Dude:
A-dex is not a very potent A-I, especially compared to Femara (letrozole). You should definitely start taking the nolva which should target the breast tissue directly. Taking nolva alone will prevent gyno whereas taking a-dex (l-dex) alone will not. A-dex only prevents about 60% of test from aromatizing so the other 40% can aromatize to estrogen. Even if 100% was aromatizing, nolva would target breast tissue and prevent gyno. Either both or nolva only. If you're that prone, get letrozole (but keep in mind the letro will kill the increase in libido normally seen with test.) Letro is so potent at preventing estrogen and a little estrogen is needed for libido. If you don't want to lose libido, don't use letrozole, BUT START TAKING NOLVADEX NOW!

 

[anal itch]

What were you using cycle wise? I am wondering if the dbol is somehow over powering my ldex. Kinda hard to think that when I am only using 25mg.

500mg test/400mg Deca. That's it! Start your nolva at low dosage and see how it goes.

 

[fit2beking]

Dude:
A-dex is not a very potent A-I, especially compared to Femara (letrozole). You should definitely start taking the nolva which should target the breast tissue directly. Taking nolva alone will prevent gyno whereas taking a-dex (l-dex) alone will not. A-dex only prevents about 60% of test from aromatizing so the other 40% can aromatize to estrogen. Even if 100% was aromatizing, nolva would target breast tissue and prevent gyno. Either both or nolva only. If you're that prone, get letrozole (but keep in mind the letro will kill the increase in libido normally seen with test.) Letro is so potent at preventing estrogen and a little estrogen is needed for libido. If you don't want to lose libido, don't use letrozole, BUT START TAKING NOLVADEX NOW!

60% is not that good at all!!! I sure hope that number is wrong!!! I have used it in the past with no problems. Oh well I will jump on the nolva right now!!! Dont want to mess with my libido, so letro is out.

 

[Ulter]

I wouldn't drop the arimidex for nolva, I would add the nolva. Aromasin would take care of it as well. But the fastest answer is adding nolva.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

for a variety of reasons neither AI nor SERMS should be used alone.

IMHO aromasin/femara with low dose nolva or clomid should be the basis for oestrogen management during and AFTER cycle.

the issue with nandrolone is that its a progestin- so its hard to say if your "itchyness" is due to the failure of the dex with respect to conversion or whether its a progestenic/prolactogenic effect.

 

[fit2beking]

for a variety of reasons neither AI nor SERMS should be used alone.

IMHO aromasin/femara with low dose nolva or clomid should be the basis for oestrogen management during and AFTER cycle.

the issue with nandrolone is that its a progestin- so its hard to say if your "itchyness" is due to the failure of the dex with respect to conversion or whether its a progestenic/prolactogenic effect.

I just took 40mgs of nolva. I am ordering aromasin as we speak. I will try this combo instead of the ldex. How much aromasin a day would you recommend? I have never used this compound before.

 

[anal itch]

I've read 10mg ED up to 25mg ED. Because AG-Guys Aromasin is 10mg/ml I'm taking 1ml along with the 10mg of Nolva and it seems to be doing the trick for me.

 

[bigtravis]

I wouldn't drop the arimidex for nolva, I would add the nolva. Aromasin would take care of it as well. But the fastest answer is adding nolva.

either aromasin or arimidex, with the nolva. i would try aromasin at 20-25mg. and nova at 10mg/ day. see how that goes. if no good results after 2 weeks. up the nolva to 20.

 

[hammercurls]

the issue with nandrolone is that its a progestin- so its hard to say if your "itchyness" is due to the failure of the dex with respect to conversion or whether its a progestenic/prolactogenic effect.

this is the crossroad i am at now, im taking 100 mg of NPP eod, nips flared fast so i jumped on 75mg nolva and so far my nips have calmed down, im also tossing in 2.5 mg letro EOD to keep the water off.

so far its working....

 

[fit2beking]

Thanks for the responses. K to all!

 

[Big_Joe]

I see a lot of this type of thread on the forum. People that have problems with gynecomastia and are attempting to control it with drugs. This is a never ending problem for them. Every cycle is the same story. I would strongly suggest that you look into surgery to remove the glandular tissue that is causing the problem in the first place. If you get someone that is even half way competent there won't be any scaring and you will never have to worry about it again.

I did a google search for gynecomastia and this link was one of the first that came up. It explains the procedure very well. This is the line that I think is of the most interest: "Once the condition is treated it is extremely unlikely for it to recur." They say that you can begin training in a week or two and there is no scaring.

Yes it costs money but if you look at how much time and effort is being wasted in trying to control the problem, this is time and effort taken from training, it looks worth it to me.

 

[hammercurls]

whats the danger's of nolva at 25-50mg ed?

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Upping the dose of A-dex won't help. There's a study titled "Estrogen Suppression in Males" which examines .5mg/day vs. 1mg/day or Arimidex, and basically they are equal for estrogen suppression. I've even seen studies go as high as 10mgs/day of Arimidex with no benefit over 1mg/day.

Try Letrozole if gyno is such a huge problem for you.

 

[Ulter]

Upping the dose of A-dex won't help. There's a study titled "Estrogen Suppression in Males" which examines .5mg/day vs. 1mg/day or Arimidex, and basically they are equal for estrogen suppression. I've even seen studies go as high as 10mgs/day of Arimidex with no benefit over 1mg/day.

Try Letrozole if gyno is such a huge problem for you.

Were those studies done on men on test cycles?

Letrozole is a libido killer. I think he's better off with a SERM for gyno like nolva, on top of the arimidex. Either that or Aromasin.

 

[hammercurls]

my libodo is fine......so far. cycle is NPP nolva/letro.

 

[Ulter]

You're doing a nandrolone only cycle and using letrozole and your libido is fine. I can't begin to tell you what an anomoly that is.

 

[hammercurls]

when should my libido drop? i feel marvelous on NPP.

 

[Slyder190]

Excuse me but can isee the studies showing the huge estrogen blocking differences between, A-dex, letro and Aromasin? They're not too far off from eachother to the best of my knowledge. I'd bump the A-dex to 1mg/day and add 40-60mg Nolva/day. Then keep your fingers crossed.

 

[swolenole]

I wouldn't drop the arimidex for nolva, I would add the nolva. Aromasin would take care of it as well. But the fastest answer is adding nolva.

And there is your answer...stay on the arimidex for bloat & throw in the nolva for gyno specific..

 

[Ulter]

when should my libido drop? i feel marvelous on NPP.

It usually hits in week 5 or 6.

 

[fit2beking]

Upping the dose of A-dex won't help. There's a study titled "Estrogen Suppression in Males" which examines .5mg/day vs. 1mg/day or Arimidex, and basically they are equal for estrogen suppression. I've even seen studies go as high as 10mgs/day of Arimidex with no benefit over 1mg/day.

Try Letrozole if gyno is such a huge problem for you.

Could Aromasin be used instead of Letrozole? I just ordered some, I will try that with nolva at 20mgs a day.

 

[Ulter]

Excuse me but can isee the studies showing the huge estrogen blocking differences between, A-dex, letro and Aromasin? They're not too far off from eachother to the best of my knowledge.

I'm not going to dig 'em up. You go get 'em. They are at pubmed.
Arimidex inhibits aromatese. Aromasin and Letrozole kills them. That's a the biggest difference and why Aro and Let are so much more powerful.

 

[fit2beking]

I see a lot of this type of thread on the forum. People that have problems with gynecomastia and are attempting to control it with drugs. This is a never ending problem for them. Every cycle is the same story. I would strongly suggest that you look into surgery to remove the glandular tissue that is causing the problem in the first place. If you get someone that is even half way competent there won't be any scaring and you will never have to worry about it again.

I did a google search for gynecomastia and this link was one of the first that came up. It explains the procedure very well. This is the line that I think is of the most interest: "Once the condition is treated it is extremely unlikely for it to recur." They say that you can begin training in a week or two and there is no scaring.

Yes it costs money but if you look at how much time and effort is being wasted in trying to control the problem, this is time and effort taken from training, it looks worth it to me.

I have had surgery 3 times for gyno. This was before any of my AAS use, it was naturally occuring gyno. So I know the surgery and the procedures. The first time the lumps were removed. The second time the same thing and the 3rd time the glands were removed. Guess what I STILL GOT ITCHY NIPS!!! I have used a-dex before with no problems. I have used Test Ethan, Dbol, and EQ before with no problems before, but this time itchy ass nips is fucking with me! I will NEVER get that bullshit gyno again. I will drink a gallon of anti-e's before I get that shit. I am downing the fuck out of this Nolva and ldex right now. Aromasin is on order. When it gets here ldex is going to the back burner.