Proviron as anti-estrogen - TRUTH or FALSE?

[SAMV]

Hi all,

i have read honestly about 300 messages/articles/etc about proviron.

Some say its completly useless.
some say great during PCT
some say it make you harder
some say it works as anti-e
some say it doesnt work as anti-e

why are there so different opinions on it? for sure, a lot of people just talk what they heard.....

so i would like to ask all of you, who REALLY has experience with proviron.

What are yours? espacially considering proviron as anti-estrogen?

thanks!

 

[GetBig10]

Hi all,

i have read honestly about 300 messages/articles/etc about proviron.

Some say its completly useless.
some say great during PCT
some say it make you harder
some say it works as anti-e
some say it doesnt work as anti-e

why are there so different opinions on it? for sure, a lot of people just talk what they heard.....

so i would like to ask all of you, who REALLY has experience with proviron.

What are yours? espacially considering proviron as anti-estrogen?

thanks!

becasue everyone is different

 

[Powerbuilder333]

I've used it extensively (100mg ED for several months), and I've gone without it for several months. I never noticed any difference, so I no longer waste my money on it.
Yes; everybody reacts differently.
If you have a problem with mild estrogen build up give proviron a try and see if it helps.
If you have big problems with estrogen than use something stronger ASAP.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

proviron is not an aromatase inhibitor, however it has DHT like binding and because of high affinity for SHBG increases free DHT. DHT modulates the ER, so it does have an indirect effect on estrogen receptor expression

 

[CO B-man]

proviron is not an aromatase inhibitor, however it has DHT like binding and because of high affinity for SHBG increases free DHT. DHT modulates the ER, so it does have an indirect effect on estrogen receptor expression

Same concept as Masteron?

 

[Bigchest]

proviron is not an aromatase inhibitor, however it has DHT like binding and because of high affinity for SHBG increases free DHT. DHT modulates the ER, so it does have an indirect effect on estrogen receptor expression

Doesn't it bind to the Aromatase enzyme and not convert to estrogen? I've read that it also binds to the andro receptors without effect, blocking androgens from binding to the receptor. This is why some people don't take it.

I read this years ago and i've been out of the game for a while. Info has definitely changed.

What you said does makes sense too though.

 

[dsh89]

50mg ed makes me horny as hell. That is all I use it for, when I get a dip in the libido on cycle.

 

[Quadsweep]

I like it a lot. I have used it often as my only Anti-e with good results...wood is great too!

Quad

 

[Ulter]

Quad's braver than I am. I would not recommend it for an anti-e in place of an AI.

I use it daily though because of the increased free test and libido.

 

[SAMV]

quadsweep , what is your recommended dosage?
50mg ed?
im thinking about stacking it to my test. prop. 150mg eod cycle.
(for further gyno prevention)

what about side effects?
having any?

thanks

 

[Ulter]

You should be using AIFM with that prop to prevent gyno. Proviron will do very little for that.
Use 50mg/day to answer your question

 

[SAMV]

this is so hard for me.
for real, every person (i only talk about serious ones) is telling me different .
i dont know what to do.

i thought im not gyno prone, but as i started my new cycle few weeks ago test prop 100mg eod, i IMMEDIATELLY got a gyno only on the left side (quite small one), i was very surprised.

it seems like i can get a surgery for free, so i will let it remove.
but i dont know what to do in the future. actually im like a quite safe roid user, less is more - is my opinion. i have time, patient is the most important thing in bodybuilding.

but i dont wanna get a gyno again, so i thought a non liver toxic AAS like proviron with "anti-e" properties would be the right thing for me.

i talked to quite a lot of doctors, imho good ones, and everyone told me NOT to use Tamoxifen. (they're not like bad AAS blablabla ... ).
i dont know what there opinion is on a real AI, but i suppose the same one.

quite another question: what do you think, when the gyno is removed on the left side, could i get it on the right side? is there a high chance for it?

thanks

 

[Ulter]

You're a little mixed up. Proviron is not AAS.
AI's are used to treat gyno. So is Tamoxifen for that matter. Although for cycling purposes AI's are better because they address all aspects of high estrogen levels not just chest.

You can not only get it on the right side but you can get it on the left again. You really need to use an AI and cabaser when cycling. Especially in your case.

 

[SAMV]

Proviron is an Androgen, isnt? Weak Anabolic, but strong Androgenic properties, therefor an AAS?

yeah but AIs has annoying Sides, so i thought i give Proviron a try.
Thats why i started this thread to find out, if there are more people using proviron standalone as "anti-e" .

But it seems to hard find information on this, because people using proviron mostly use it in combination with tamoxifen (nolvadex).

id like to use it standalone next to test prop, because of the less Side Effects. and im not prone to Hairloss (Hope so lol). so i dont care so much about the DHT thing.

it would be just important to me is it "strong enough" to use it as stand alone anti-e like quadsweep said. for him it seems to work.

probably there is nothing else, than trying it out for me.

despite that, i would really appreciate if maybe more people could write down their proviron experiences.

thank you.
this is really a great board!

bye

 

[Ulter]

Proviron is an Androgen, isnt? Weak Anabolic, but strong Androgenic properties, therefor an AAS?

No. It doesn't bind to the AR in the muscle, it likes the brain. It's not anabolic.

yeah but AIs has annoying Sides, so i thought i give Proviron a try.

The annoying sides like bloating, high blood pressure, gyno, female fat distribution, from test are a lot worse than whatever annoying sides you think you'll get from an AI.

 

[Primordial Performance]

You're a little mixed up. Proviron is not AAS.
AI's are used to treat gyno. So is Tamoxifen for that matter. Although for cycling purposes AI's are better because they address all aspects of high estrogen levels not just chest.

You can not only get it on the right side but you can get it on the left again. You really need to use an AI and cabaser when cycling. Especially in your case.

Actually, Proviron is an AAS.

SamV,

Proviron may offset your estrogenic sides since it is very similar to DHT, but it wont actually reduce your estrogen levels. Still Id try to avoid tamoxifen too if I where you, so the proviron might be worth a try.

Are you using anything else besides the ~500mg week test? Any proscar, forskolin supps?

-Pp

 

[blut wump]

Proviron binds much more weakly to the aromatase enzyme than any of the poplular AIs. While it might be adequate for some genetically fortunate individuals, it should not be viewed as reasonable AI provision for a cycle. The stronger your cycle, the less adequate it is likely to be due to its weak binding.

Regarding your gyno, many on here have grown small lumps and had them dissipate with AI usage or even with tamoxifen usage, often some combination of the two. I had some recently and with nothing more than some cabaser, some letro and spraying AIFM directly onto the lumps, they went in about a week. It's possible that surgery is not necessary for you. Of course, you should evaluate your condition alongside your doctor's best suggestions.

 

[iceman7230]

So can proviron be used to help deca dick on an off cycle? I have tried dosinex and still cannot bust a nut! WTF!

 

[SAMV]

first, thank you so much for your responses.

@primoridal performance
no, im just using test prop 150mg eod.
no proscar or other drugs.

 

[Primordial Performance]

first, thank you so much for your responses.

@primoridal performance
no, im just using test prop 150mg eod.
no proscar or other drugs.

Samv

Whats your honest body fat percentage?

Do you have any hair loss issues?

Prostate issues, such as frequent urination?

-Pp

 

[SAMV]

i think my bodyfat is about 16%
no hair loss issues (i think im not prone to it, nobody in my family has hair loss problems)
prostata issues, hard to say. i mean im drinking a lot therefor sure i have to urinate quite often, i dont know if its normal-frequence or too much. hard to say.

 

[MR. BMJ]

If you are prone to gyno, even the slightest, and depend on Proviron only to combat estrogen/aromatase, you will end up with tits. Proviron/Nolva was the anti-estrogen stack of the 90's, and gyno prone users were still getting lumps and puffiness. Stick with an AI for the sole estro/aromatase fighter, and add Proviron in addition to it.

BMJ

 

[Primordial Performance]

i think my bodyfat is about 16%
no hair loss issues (i think im not prone to it, nobody in my family has hair loss problems)
prostata issues, hard to say. i mean im drinking a lot therefor sure i have to urinate quite often, i dont know if its normal-frequence or too much. hard to say.

Id guess you could probably benefit from the Adactrim just around the chest... and perhaps an AI too. -Pp

 

[SAMV]

mr bmj:

why use proviron additionally when using AI?
as androgenic steroid i would rather use drosta or stanzolol ..... you disagree?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

proviron has DHT like binding (primarily non receptor mediated), it also increases Free test and free DHT (high affinity for SHBG)

 

[Primordial Performance]

mr bmj:

why use proviron additionally when using AI?
as androgenic steroid i would rather use drosta or stanzolol ..... you disagree?

Why not just use masteron alone and avoid all your gyno trouble?

Or atleast masteron & low dose test?

 

[SAMV]

hmmmmmm good question, primordial performance!

What is in your opinion the best to stack with test. prop 50mg eod?
winstrol? drosta? or proviron? or something else?

 

[Primordial Performance]

hmmmmmm good question, primordial performance!

What is in your opinion the best to stack with test. prop 50mg eod?
winstrol? drosta? or proviron? or something else?

Winstrol is toxic, and proviron is like masteron... except proviron wont do much in the way of helping you gain lean muscle.

Masteron would be my number one choice to combine with the test. I thought you said you where doing 150mg EOD? Anyway, Id do equal amounts of both. That should handle your gyno problem… and lead to some better gains.


-Pp

 

[krishna]

Doesn't proviron stimulate AR's in the brain responsible for libido too? This would make sense because I've taken it without test and it still raised my libido. My test was shut down with tren/eq so it binding to SHBG to increase free test seemed not to be the case in my situation. I believe it also raises libido in other ways like the one I just mentioned.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

likely the action is non-AR mediated, but yes proviron does have that effect. Proviron binds poorly to the AR.

 

[Bozwell]

I love proviron it make me feel good keep the water down and adds a nice grainy look a must for any cycle imo

 

[SAMV]

i think will give proviron a try. Starting with 50mg ed.

bozwell, what is your dosage, and do you have any side effects?

 

[Bozwell]

i think will give proviron a try. Starting with 50mg ed.

bozwell, what is your dosage, and do you have any side effects?

To help with boat I run 25mg of proviron to every 250mg of test Ive ran upto 100mg ed with 875mg of sust per week it helped with the bloat and I felt amazing. 50mg ed is good starting point
Ive never had any side from proviron like I said a must of any cycle..for me any way..

 

[Dr. JK]

Proviron is used to treat men with low androgens/test and increases sperm count.

I use on/of to dense up my muscles and increase libido...

As per the books (Anabolic 2000/2002/2004) Proviron is an aromatase inhibitor and prevents the conversion (aromatization) of test into estrogen.

Nolvadex blocks/attaches to the estrogen receptors primarily in the chest/breast area.

Therefore, Proviron will help reduce the amount of test conversion into estrogen but you need Nolvadex/AI to combat gyno in the early stages.

If you have gyno or are gyno prone I would suggest that you prevent rather then treat the gyno..

Here is what I used on my test cycles (I am gyno prone)
20mg/day Nolvadex
50mg/Proviron
I would now also include AI in the stack (doses as per Macro's sticky)

Be careful of the estrogen rebound effect if you stop the Nolva/Proviron/AI too soon..I think AI will help suppress and reduce estrogen rebound.....

Good luck