Protein Powder Is A Waste ?

[MusslCub]

I've taken a dozen different kinds of protein powders and never gained an ounce from any of them. When I started my cycle, my deca soucre told me to EAT. Real food. Keep it clean, but EAT to gain.

Protein powder as a liquid is out of your system too fast to make a difference. Real food (good clean protein & carbs) is slow-burn, and thats how you build mass.

I never gained an ounce from powders, but yes, when I eat oatmeal and an egg sandwich for breakfast, pasta for lunch, and a steak&potato for dinner, I can see the difference. That's when this skinny runt finally started gaining some mass. It stays in the system and slowly breaks down, feeding the muscles, rather than a drink that you will piss out in about an hour.

I worked at GNC, and in 6 months never had a massive bodybuilder come in and buy Nitro-Tech like the skinny college kids do. They won't talk against it, but they don't consume it. They allocate their money toward buying roids & good food not powders.

Arnold never promoted any protein powder. In his day, they all ate real food to get big. These corporations are making millions duping us with their pretty ads & promises - we have to stick with the basics and stop wasting money on these powders.

I hope I am on track and giving good advice to guys who are starting out and trying to gain. I for one, am doing better since I stopped the powders and started to eat sufficiently to support my goals.

 

[psychedout]

I wouldnt be so harsh on powders. And I would say that 60-70% of your protien intake should be from whole foods.

BUT...post workout, easy to digest protien such as whey is gonna be much better than a steak.

And before bed, a shake is so easy to gulp down.



I think you may have had counterfiet shakes. They have down nothing but positive things to me.

 

[lartinos]

they just give me the shits

 

[variation]

you know, I've thought that you absorb much more from solid foods then liquids for a long time, so I agree with you.. I've searched a bit on the internet to try and find absorbtion rate differences between solid and liquid sources of nutrients but nothing much came up I still always assumed this though because I've noticed differences, and not just with protein.

In fact I think getting a certain amount of protein is even over rated greatly in bodybuilding.. most important I think is to just make sure you get a good source of complex carbohydrates and protein from difference sources in each meal (grains, nuts, beans) rather then concentrate on a particular number of grams.

Yes I agree with your solid food opinion 100% ...

when I was sick with pnemonia years ago, I layed in bed all day and just drank different types of juices all day thousands of calories of juice which is 95% carbohydrates.. because I did not feel like eating anything.... and you know I was very catabolic to fat and muscle tissue.. I lost like 20 pounds.

 

[SofaGeorge]

Arnold never promoted any protein powder. In his day, they all ate real food to get big.

You might want to check your facts.

 

[thecockdiesel]

just add flax oil to all of your shakes, this will slow down the rate of absorbtion. Most "real food" take too long to digest. You don't want to eat a steak close to working out, and do you really think that you could digest 4 steaks in one day with two other meals on top of that? Shakes have their place as a supplement, but not as a replacement.

 

[variation]

I do think protein drinks have their place, but I think for building mass solid food is where it's at... before rigorous exercise I will use protein drink to hopefully ward off some catabolism.. and before bed with some flax usually... post workout right away I have protein drink.. but shortly after get in some good solid foods.

I also make sure to have soy protein in my shakes since it is more slowly digested.

 

[Payphone_Johnny]

I've taken a dozen different kinds of protein powders and never gained an ounce from any of them. When I started my cycle, my deca soucre told me to EAT. Real food. Keep it clean, but EAT to gain.

Protein powder as a liquid is out of your system too fast to make a difference. Real food (good clean protein & carbs) is slow-burn, and thats how you build mass.

I never gained an ounce from powders, but yes, when I eat oatmeal and an egg sandwich for breakfast, pasta for lunch, and a steak&potato for dinner, I can see the difference. That's when this skinny runt finally started gaining some mass. It stays in the system and slowly breaks down, feeding the muscles, rather than a drink that you will piss out in about an hour.

I worked at GNC, and in 6 months never had a massive bodybuilder come in and buy Nitro-Tech like the skinny college kids do. They won't talk against it, but they don't consume it. They allocate their money toward buying roids & good food not powders.

Arnold never promoted any protein powder. In his day, they all ate real food to get big. These corporations are making millions duping us with their pretty ads & promises - we have to stick with the basics and stop wasting money on these powders.

I hope I am on track and giving good advice to guys who are starting out and trying to gain. I for one, am doing better since I stopped the powders and started to eat sufficiently to support my goals.

Did you ever think that you eat less when you are drinking shakes? A shake has a shitload of air in it that goes into your stomach.
A good protein (like Animal's protein) wont cause you to get the shits either like so many complain about.
BTW protein powder in the 70's-well you'd eat food too if you had to stomach that shit.
Keep in mind alot of the 'big guys' have the time to eat 8 times a day- most dont.

 

[satchboogie]

complete nonsense!

protein shakes are a critical part of the bodybuilders routine.
and dont compare to the pros of the 60's and 70's.

with today's knowledge one can grow just as big as the pros back then but in half the time.

 

[GUNZ-007]

That is why they call protein powders supps. They are exactly that, supplements to your diet, not replacements real food. Without them I could never get 250grams of protein into my system.

 

[eric123]

I also think protein powder is horse shit. I've never gained a thing.. and it fills me up... preventing me from being hungry for real food.

Maybe it's good to drink right before bed... or right after a workout.. I dunno... but I think you'd get about the same benefit from drinking a tall glass of milk (16g protein).

 

[jubei]

Protien shakes are to be added to your diet/meals not to replace them.

 

[sucker for supplements]

i am a 250 lb vegetarian body builder.
with out protein shakes id be fucked.
to say they do nothing is balls - im proof they work.

 

[Big BX]

To the guys who don't like protien shakes as a replacement for real food are you eating every 2-3 hours?

I eat two whole food meals (lunch and dinner) a day and do not have a problem gaining weight while bulking or lossing weight while cutting. At work liquid meals or a bar work for me. I will say that I eat oatmeal and a protein shake for breakfast, but I don't count that as a whole food meal.

 

[satchboogie]

i am a 250 lb vegetarian body builder.

damn bro!!

i had no idea you're a vegeterian.

 

[variation]

you can get all the amino acids you need from plant sources... beans, grains, nuts... it isn't nescaserry to eat meats to grow.. nothing magical about it... amino acids are amino acids... reasons to avoid meat... well saturated fat... most fats that come from plant sources will be mono or poly unsaturates.

 

[DeepZenPill]

I only drink 2 shakes max in a day. One post workout and one before bed. I get the rest of my protein from real food and use my protein shakes as supplements, like they're meant to be.

When I'm done my workout I want a fast acting source of protein and that's why I use CFM whey isolate. I also eat a meal after that shake for slower acting protein, so the shake can't possibly hurt.

Shakes definitely aren't neccessary, but they can be very beneficial. I know plenty of guys much bigger than me who scoff at my shakes, but they pound down meat and still grow.

 

[jubei]

Shakes are great for protien in between meals or when you don't have time to make something. I find these are the times they come in handy:

1. First thing in the morning
2. At work
3. Coming Home from work
4. 30 minutes before gym
5. Before Bed

 

[KINGKONG69]

damm, thats 5 shakes a day. im lucky if i get 2 in a day.

 

[jubei]

KingKong, you don't have to use them in ALL of those situations, but thats when I notice the convenience of it all really comes into play.

 

[The_Eviscerator]

I use the protien to supplement my whole food meals. For instance....

6 egg whites a 1/2cup of otameal with a scoop of Labrada V60

Or... 5 oz chicken breast, yam and a nice glass of cool protien drink.

Used in conjunction with real food it is great. To rely on it as your sole source of protein is plain stupid.

 

[satchboogie]

fuck all this talk about protein shakes..

about to down a myoplex vanilla!

 

[bowling ball nutz]

man I would stay the fck away from v60 it fked my stomach up and gave me the shits after everytime that I took it, all my friends that tried it had the shits too, yeah its cheap, but it sucks!! and I had to switch back to optimums pro complex

just a heads up if your stomach feels funny after downing a shake

I use the protien to supplement my whole food meals. For instance....

6 egg whites a 1/2cup of otameal with a scoop of Labrada V60

Or... 5 oz chicken breast, yam and a nice glass of cool protien drink.

Used in conjunction with real food it is great. To rely on it as your sole source of protein is plain stupid.

 

[The_Eviscerator]

man I would stay the fck away from v60 it fked my stomach up and gave me the shits after everytime that I took it, all my friends that tried it had the shits too, yeah its cheap, but it sucks!! and I had to switch back to optimums pro complex

just a heads up if your stomach feels funny after downing a shake

I have no problems with it at all I have been using their product for two years now. I never have problems with any liquid shakes, so I have no idea what all this shitting and farting is all about.

 

[Thaibox]

You ever try getting 400 grams of protein a day from only solid food?

This thread is retarded

 

[The_Eviscerator]

You ever try getting 400 grams of protein a day from only solid food?

This thread is retarded

That's what I am saying. Eight servings of 8 oz meat is what you are looking at for 400 grams. That is some hard shit to digest day after day.

 

[BLACKDOOG]

PROTEIN SHAKES WORK VERY WELL FOR ME WHEN I AM ON A CYCLE. IF YOUR A BUSY PERSON YOU DO NOT ALWAYS HAVE TIME TO PREPARE MEALS. IT IS A LOT EASIER TO MAKE YOUR SHAKES THE DAY BEFORE PUT THEM I CONTAINERS ALLOWING THE AIR TO GET OUT OF THEM AND CONSUMING THEM THE NEXT DAY AS YOU NEED THEM. PROTEIN SHAKES ARE VITAL WHEN YOU ARE ON A CYCLE. THEY ALLOW YOU TO MEET YOUR PROTEIN, CARBOHYDRATE AND THE REQUIRED AMOUNT OF CALORIES YOU NEED TO GAIN WEIGHT. I DRINK 4 A DAY WITH EACH CONTAINING 1250 CALORIES, 60 GMS OF PROTEIN AND 515 GMS OF CARBOHYDRATES. I WILL ALSO FIT IN TO SOLID FOD MEALS. YOUR BODY IS NOT GOING TO GAIN WEIGHT BASED ON HOW LONG SOLID FOOD IS IN YOUR SYSTEM. YOU GAIN WEIGHT BASED ON YOUR CALORIE INTAKE WHETHER IT IS SOLID FOOD OR LIQUID. THE PROTEIN SHAKES ARE ABLE TO BE BROKEN DOWN EASIER BECAUSE THEY ARE LIQUID. IF YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE SHITS THEN TAKE LACTAID TABLETS WITH YOUR SHAKES. PROTEIN SHAKES ARE NEEDED WHEN YOU ARE MASING UP.

 

[The_Eviscerator]

PROTEIN SHAKES WORK VERY WELL FOR ME WHEN I AM ON A CYCLE. IF YOUR A BUSY PERSON YOU DO NOT ALWAYS HAVE TIME TO PREPARE MEALS. IT IS A LOT EASIER TO MAKE YOUR SHAKES THE DAY BEFORE PUT THEM I CONTAINERS ALLOWING THE AIR TO GET OUT OF THEM AND CONSUMING THEM THE NEXT DAY AS YOU NEED THEM. PROTEIN SHAKES ARE VITAL WHEN YOU ARE ON A CYCLE. THEY ALLOW YOU TO MEET YOUR PROTEIN, CARBOHYDRATE AND THE REQUIRED AMOUNT OF CALORIES YOU NEED TO GAIN WEIGHT. I DRINK 4 A DAY WITH EACH CONTAINING 1250 CALORIES, 60 GMS OF PROTEIN AND 515 GMS OF CARBOHYDRATES. I WILL ALSO FIT IN TO SOLID FOD MEALS. YOUR BODY IS NOT GOING TO GAIN WEIGHT BASED ON HOW LONG SOLID FOOD IS IN YOUR SYSTEM. YOU GAIN WEIGHT BASED ON YOUR CALORIE INTAKE WHETHER IT IS SOLID FOOD OR LIQUID. THE PROTEIN SHAKES ARE ABLE TO BE BROKEN DOWN EASIER BECAUSE THEY ARE LIQUID. IF YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE SHITS THEN TAKE LACTAID TABLETS WITH YOUR SHAKES. PROTEIN SHAKES ARE NEEDED WHEN YOU ARE MASING UP.

OK DUDE!!! I BELIEVE YOU!! YOU DON'T HAVE TO YELL!!

 

[Nelson Montana]

Well, let me first say I don't think it's so easy to look like the elite bodybuilders of the 60's and 70's. Sure, I'll bet most of the guys on this board look better than the "average" bodybuilders from the 50's, but I'll bet there aren't too many Zanes or Reeves or Arnolds.

Okay, protein shakes are good for...

A quick meal.

When you want something sweet that isn't pure junk.

And although most of the are designed for weight loss, they're best for adding weight. A shake won't take the place of a meal but it's an easy way to add an additon 100 calories a day.


But yeah, I agree with the original poster. If you count on supps to grow, you wont.

And BTW: Supps were a big part of a lot of the old timers proticol. They drank those horrible canned soy drinks but the Rheo Blair stuff was like a drug to many of the top BB's. Guys who endorsed Weider supps were paying for Blairs protein out of their own pocket.

 

[Payphone_Johnny]

I also think protein powder is horse shit. I've never gained a thing.. and it fills me up... preventing me from being hungry for real food.

Maybe it's good to drink right before bed... or right after a workout.. I dunno... but I think you'd get about the same benefit from drinking a tall glass of milk (16g protein).

Milk? Milk has 8 grams of protein and 11 grams of sugar per 8oz. It's not even close. Lets not forget what lactose does to the digestive system of MILLIONS of people as well.
As I said previously the 'filled up' feeling is FROM AIR. Look at nuclearnutrition.com -Trevor Smith wrote about it. Let the shake sit and its not even remotely bloating.

 

[slobberknocker]

There's something to be said for sticking only to REAL FOOD.

My training partner has a friend who is 5'6, 330 lbs with visible abs. Trust me, I've seen pictures. This guy raises his own steers and slaughters them for their meat. He gets fresh fruits and vegetables from his neighbor's gardens. He is adamant in his opposition to frozen foods, or things that have been "contaminated" with all sorts of preservatives. He doesn't eat anything with the words "low fat" or "substitute" on them.

Something to think about.

One trick is to go to the grocery store and buy only the food that is around the outside walls. That's where the fresh stuff is. The stuff in the middle is all that canned junk.

 

[satchboogie]

this argument isnt going anywhere.

1) you can grow nicely without powders if you're diet is right on.
2) you can maximize growth by consuming the right powders at the right time.

example:

right when waking up in the morning... you cant tell me that a meal will get broken down as fast as a shake. and after all, we need amino acids immediately upon awaking.

same principle applies for post workouts.

 

[Ironhorse_m87]

well ive sure done well off them, i just cant eat that much during the day so 2 or 3 protien shakes a day help me get what i need.

 

[RADAR]

This can go both ways...my business is 100 ft from my home i keep a timer handy to go off every 2 hrs...its convient to post a note saying back in 5 min......then it gulping down a myloplex delux plus replacement meal shake 280 cal mixed with Eas Simply protein and you have almost 50 grams of protein of course this is in conjunction to my 4 other meals thrU out the day .a total of 3 SHAKES
PLUS 4 servings of real food.


RADAR

 

[DNIndustry]

A calorie is a calorie. It doesnt matter if it is from a Protein Shake or a steak.

If I blended a hotdog and added water I would still be eating the hotdog. It would just digest faster, probably more throughly.

 

[anabolicmd]

Arnold never promoted any protein powder.

Yes he did, in Europe, I remember bying a few tubs of it back in the day. I agree with the whole powder thing, its not worth the hassle. I like the isopure clear whey drink right after working out and thats it.

 

[BLACKDOOG]

THATS RIGHT A CALORIE IS A CALORIE NO MATTER WHAT FORM THEY ARE IN SLOID OR LIQUID. THINK ABOUT IT JUST BECAUSE A SOLID MEAL DIGEST SLOWER IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOUR BODY GAINS MORE WEIGHT. THAT IS STUPID THINKING.