Prostate cancer from test. ALL MUST READ!

[Ulter]

Get your PSA done twice a year and use Saw Palmetto and nettle.

 

[GaryWary]

OK, there is very little validity here. First off the doctor saying "the anabolic steroid testosterone", statement. Well Testosterone is NOT an anabolic steroid. Second Prostate cancer is not something you contract. It's a genetic defect. BUT prostate enlargement is a different story. Currently there is a debate as to what couses it. In one camp the train of thought is that high levels of test are to blame, and on the other side doctors say it's the low test levels that are to blame. The reasoning being that low test levels in the blood stream cause the prostate to swell like a "sail" to catch more free test. Makes sence, espacially since most old men with swollen prostates can't exactly be said to have particularly high test levels. It's the prolonged low testosterone level that can actually cause these problems. Of course using steroids that have a very high rate of conversion to DHT is a bad thing as well. I remember how it was difficult to urinate when i did my first cycle of d-ball.

Be careful. It might be technically incorrect to refer to test as an 'anabolic' steroid, but that doesn't mean the tale lacks validity.

Secondly, regarding your comment on contracting cancer. You can contract any cancer given the right circumstances.. i.e. smoking causes cancer in many people. Genetics play a part (but the mechanics of cancers of all types is still largely unknown). Therefore, it is impossible to substantiate your claim that genetics causes cancer. Yes, some cancers seem to occur in family members, however, this is not always the case. And anyway, you don't know if you are susceptible to any given cancer until it happens. It is unwise to believe that you are free of the ability to get cancer. 1 in 2, 1 in 3 remember that. Half of you reading this will deal with cancer at some point in your lives.

1 in 2 men get cancer of some kind. 1 in 3 women. Prostate cancer and testicular cancer are the most common cancers seen in men.

 

[GaryWary]

this story is a bunch of crap. testosterone is causing prostate growth? b u l l s h i t ! please tell me one thing: why do young men who produce lots of test do not get prostate problems while older men whose test production has dwindled down do get prostate problems?

Testoman

Because they may well produce less test, but have higher DHT conversion? Because the effects have cumulated over time and were never checked out....

 

[bigrand]

Good points GW
EVERYONE gets cancer. Our bodies usually can detect cancerous cells and kill them, but sometimes a cell can multiply without being detected (i think they dont present an antigen). Everyone is suceptible to this, some more than others (for example, people with the FAP gene, famillial adenomous pollupus or some shit like that who seem to produce lots of precancerous pollups in the colon).

In any event, i dont believe that androgens CAUSE cancer, that is, they dont mutate cell lines, but rather feed existing tumor growth.

 

[jferg187]

after reading that last 7 pages...
i am going to go get a PSA done,
and start taking Finasteride with my test.
but one question... somebody said something about Arimidex... that it would also be a great thing to take.. is this true?
what does it do??

 

[athlete03]

So how much saw Palmetto should one take?

 

[LatinM]

what does Psa stand for. pls no flames

 

[Trevdog]

I read this above. PSA stands for Prostate Specific Antigen. They are referring to a test done to measure levels of this antigen, if levels are elevated, this may be indicative of cancer.

 

[Trevdog]

Excellent thread. I'm subscribing to it.

Above it was mentioned that finasteride/proscar should not be used with deca since it will result in additonal hair loss. I have two important questions:

1) What other drugs, if any, should not be used with finasteride? (eq.?)

2) How much of a time cushion should you leave between use of deca (and/or any other drugs that should not be combined with finasteride) and finasteride?

 

[panerai]

1) What other drugs, if any, should not be used with finasteride? (eq.?)

2) How much of a time cushion should you leave between use of deca (and/or any other drugs that should not be combined with finasteride) and finasteride?

1) In my personal opinion, Deca only. Some said Trenbolone, but there's only one shady looking study from China, which found some 5-alpha metabolites of Trenbolone, but even they didn't say it for sure, they used word "probably", lol..
In the same time, there are plenty of other studies that list major metabolites of Trenbolone and 5-alpha are not among them. So, Trenbolone, IMO, doesn't get 5-alpha reduced.

2) Use of Finasteride is a long term commitement. You simply can't stop it for period of a few month and not expect loss of benefits. If you are prone to MPB, and using Finasteride, you have to forget about Deca, period. No loopholes there.