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pharmguy
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whether it is endigenous or exogenous, testosterone is an anabolic androgenic steroid. Same as cortisol is a catabolic steroid in both cases.
Steroid refers to the chemical structure, this includes cholesterol derivatives. Ie" estradiol, progesterones, dhea, androstenedione, testsoterone, cortisol, aldosterone. etc etc
As was said earlier, the more androgenic an AAS, the more BPH it is likely to cause. Watch out for dbol,drol,tren,halo. Concurrently, DHT derivatives are also likely to cause probs IE masteron, winny, primo, OT, and proviron.
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This was posted by SWALE at cuttingedgemuscle.com in response to this thread:
"Neurotic--Perhaps someone would be willing to repost this over at EF. I would be happy to, except I am not allowed to post there.
I certainly appreciate your desire to be of service to all. However, there are a few "misconceptions" present in your heartfelt post.
First, this poor fellow developed prostatic CA because he had a profound genetic disposition for it. You did not provide any family history, but I would hazard a guess that his father, and his father before him, perished from same.
Next, you must separate prostate cancer from BPH (Benign Prostatic Hypertrophy), as there is no known association between the two (other than, IMPO, both are associated with the effects of elevated estogen levels). Prostate cancer rarely causes the urination issues you list here, which are symptoms of BPH.
Has anyone noticed that it is precisely the time in a man's life when a man's testosterone is the lowest (and also T/E ratio) when his prostate gets sick (with BOTH cancer and BPH)? The association is profound between prostate cancer and hypogonadism.
Also, the area when the nodules of BPH form also happens to be where there is the highest concentration of aromatase.
"There is no clinical evidence that the risk of either prostate cancer or BPH increases with TRT".
--Morley JE. Testosterone Replacement and the Physiologic Aspects of Aging in Men. Mayo Clin Proc. 2000 Jan;75 Suppl:S83-7.
Is DHT really the culprit? When it is employed as sole TRT, in fact (instead of using a standard testosterone preparation), there was no change in prostate weight or PSA. This was demonstarted in two different studies. If you know your metabolic pathways, you see that this strategy will actually lower E levels.
The Cenegenics Institute has treated over 5,000 men with TRT. Remember, these are men of appreciably advanced age compared to AAS athletes. They keep very careful records, and report that only a fraction of the men who would have been expected to develop prostate cancer actually did.
I would hasten to add that as HRT physicians we supplement only to the top of "normal" range, not the dosages employed for a steroid cycle.
For the above reasons, I STRONGLY advise those who have made the lifestyle decision to use steroids to control their estrogen levels.
Last, I am not in favor of using deca--for this, OR any other reason.
I'd suggest this Urologist learn a little about steroids before he makes such comments.
Also, I frequently hear from AAS athletes who complain of BPH symptoms. It usually end up being from the sympathetic nervous system stimulation the androgens induce.
Just some food--and facts--for thought."
"Neurotic--Perhaps someone would be willing to repost this over at EF. I would be happy to, except I am not allowed to post there.
I certainly appreciate your desire to be of service to all. However, there are a few "misconceptions" present in your heartfelt post.
First, this poor fellow developed prostatic CA because he had a profound genetic disposition for it. You did not provide any family history, but I would hazard a guess that his father, and his father before him, perished from same.
Next, you must separate prostate cancer from BPH (Benign Prostatic Hypertrophy), as there is no known association between the two (other than, IMPO, both are associated with the effects of elevated estogen levels). Prostate cancer rarely causes the urination issues you list here, which are symptoms of BPH.
Has anyone noticed that it is precisely the time in a man's life when a man's testosterone is the lowest (and also T/E ratio) when his prostate gets sick (with BOTH cancer and BPH)? The association is profound between prostate cancer and hypogonadism.
Also, the area when the nodules of BPH form also happens to be where there is the highest concentration of aromatase.
"There is no clinical evidence that the risk of either prostate cancer or BPH increases with TRT".
--Morley JE. Testosterone Replacement and the Physiologic Aspects of Aging in Men. Mayo Clin Proc. 2000 Jan;75 Suppl:S83-7.
Is DHT really the culprit? When it is employed as sole TRT, in fact (instead of using a standard testosterone preparation), there was no change in prostate weight or PSA. This was demonstarted in two different studies. If you know your metabolic pathways, you see that this strategy will actually lower E levels.
The Cenegenics Institute has treated over 5,000 men with TRT. Remember, these are men of appreciably advanced age compared to AAS athletes. They keep very careful records, and report that only a fraction of the men who would have been expected to develop prostate cancer actually did.
I would hasten to add that as HRT physicians we supplement only to the top of "normal" range, not the dosages employed for a steroid cycle.
For the above reasons, I STRONGLY advise those who have made the lifestyle decision to use steroids to control their estrogen levels.
Last, I am not in favor of using deca--for this, OR any other reason.
I'd suggest this Urologist learn a little about steroids before he makes such comments.
Also, I frequently hear from AAS athletes who complain of BPH symptoms. It usually end up being from the sympathetic nervous system stimulation the androgens induce.
Just some food--and facts--for thought."
pharmguy said:
1) Primo is not a DHT derivative, but a DHB (dihidroboldenone) derivative.
2) The fact that an anabolic steroid is a DHT derivative doesn't imply that it's going to be very androgenic. Add a methyl group or add something at the 17-alpha-position and you might change COMPLETELY the modus operandi of a substance. Your statement is a misconception started by the wrong teachings of Dan Duchaine.
3) It's nonsense to state that winstrol and primo are going to be androgenically problematic when, in fact, they were introduced in the market due to their very high anabolic/androgenic ratio. If anything, winstrol produces hairloss, maybe thru non-AR-mediated pathways and/or selective AR binding at scalp receptors.
I am currently on Androgel - not considered a strong form of Test. Should my nutritionist put me on Saw Palmetto when I told him about this. As you all know, I have quite a compromised immune system. Thanks!
juicin'since17
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i get up 5 times in the night to take a piss. never able to get it all out either . no blood though. test/androgenic thing enlarge your prostate definately. this is one of the prices you will pay. 23 now hopefully by the time there is a problem they will have figured out how to fix without cutting my dick off. i think japan has a high occurance of pros cancer from getting nuked. pollution/chemicals estrogen/hormones fuck you up. id say you dont want old semen just laying on your prostate like that. so find a gf who likes to fuck or jerk off a couple times a day. finasteride? no way. dht is one of the good guys. i wouldnt take that shit even if i had one hair left on my head. everybody looks back and has regrets- thats life. personally id rather pay the price later instead of gettin sand kicked in my face now. look, if your scared say your scared. dont juice
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