Prostate cancer from test. ALL MUST READ!

[McBane]

bump for confirmation whether or not finastride will increase aromatization. I know that finastride users sometimes do experience small cases of gyno however after stopping finastride usage the gyno dissappear. At least in the abstract that I read.

 

[Hugh Gellatts]

"BTW, I also am a strong believer that estrogens cause prostate problems. Ever heard of huge prostates by using dianabol? This stuff does not convert to a DHT derivative, but does to the very strong 17a-methyl-estradiol.

In France they now use DHT injections to treat prostate cancer"

I am with Sigmund Roid on this one. I actually used quite a bit of straight DHT injectable when bruce was selling it as "masteron." i had absolutely no prostate discomfort. the only time i got that was when i ran test without armidex or did not use enough armidex...then i did have some friggin pre-ejac problems at "half-mast and needed to piss every 2 minuites.

 

[freakishlyhuge]

I currently have some sort of prostate problem, Im pretty sure its an enlarged prostate. Ive been to a few different doctors and none of them did any thing that worked. Ive had Tubes stuck down my ureathra a few times and my prostate was inflamed so each time they had trouble getting it in.
I had my test levels checked and they came out as 580 and free test 2.0, does any one know what i can do about this, could it be my test levels that are affecting my prostate? I have some symtoms i can name if any one can help. thanks

 

[Seth28]

the only way to tell is if your symptomatic (ie. trouble starting and maintaining a stream of uring, frequent urination, frequent bladder infections, post-renal azotemia) then go get checked out, but if you are using any steroid you should get annual prostate exams (the prostate is located below the bladder and the urethra goes thru it, the posterior portion can be examined by doing a rectal exam). I would also get a PSA for a baseline (PSA is a blood test that the actual number isnt as significant as a change in the baseline, if it goes up by .75ng/dL then it needs further evaluation).
Oh and as far as the finasteride goes, there doing a large scale study now on whether it will play a role in prostate Cancer prevention. a smaller study demonstrated no benefit in outcome of taking finasteride to prevent prostate CA, (reason being is too many factors that we do not know about act as initiators and promotors to prostate Ca--not just DHT) DHT does play a significant role in prostatic hypertrophy (enlargement) but that is very different then Cancer.

 

[freakishlyhuge]

well the reason why i know i have an enlarged prostate is ive had like 2 tests where they stuck tubes down my shaft, they said i had an elarged prostate but never came to a conclusion why.

 

[neurotic]

Dudes doesn't all this make a strong case for DECA. Deca doesn't convert to estrogen or DHT!! Well a small convertion to estrogen does exist.

Deca is a progestin, I am NOT sure about what I'm going to state, so read it with skepticism: perhaps progetins just agonize estrogen at their receptor sites in the prostate.

 

[neurotic]

FINASTERIDE is an OK drug... and a reduction of DHT is helpful in many areas.. with the prostate it does help with BPH and may also help reduce risk of MPH(cancer) and MPB(hairloss).


however use of finasteride can ALSO increase risk of GYNO.. DHT has been shown to reduce ER stimulation in breast tissue... I will have to look for the study..

though even the insert warns that finasteride use can cause gyno.


its ok to use.. you just dont want too much..

and an aromatase inhibitor is ESSENTIAL for any aromatic cycle... men dont need more estrogen EVER...(there are a few caveats to this but not any that are relevant to 99+% of the population)

peace

Ironically, DHT supression might be putting you at a bigger risk for BPH and/or prostate cancer due to the strong antiestrogen properties of DHT. Did you know that, in fact, DHT administration has been used with success in order to treat people with BPH?
In fact, testosterone is likely to cause its prostate problems thru aromatization rather than thru 5-alfa-reduction.
I think that the best approach would be using a 5AR inhibitor and a estrogen blocker such as arimidex (Nolvadex, being a SERM could be benefitial, useless or harmful, we just don't know with how much potency it binds to the prostate ER). .

 

[neurotic]

FINASTERIDE is an OK drug... and a reduction of DHT is helpful in many areas.. with the prostate it does help with BPH and may also help reduce risk of MPH(cancer) and MPB(hairloss).


however use of finasteride can ALSO increase risk of GYNO.. DHT has been shown to reduce ER stimulation in breast tissue... I will have to look for the study..

though even the insert warns that finasteride use can cause gyno.


its ok to use.. you just dont want too much..

and an aromatase inhibitor is ESSENTIAL for any aromatic cycle... men dont need more estrogen EVER...(there are a few caveats to this but not any that are relevant to 99+% of the population)

peace

Ironically, DHT supression might be putting you at a bigger risk for BPH and/or prostate cancer due to the strong antiestrogen properties of DHT. Did you know that, in fact, DHT administration has been used with success in order to treat people with BPH?
In fact, testosterone is likely to cause its prostate problems thru aromatization rather than thru 5-alfa-reduction.
I think that the best approach would be using a 5AR inhibitor and a estrogen blocker such as arimidex (Nolvadex, being a SERM could be benefitial, useless or harmful, we just don't know with how much potency it binds to the prostate ER). .

 

[neurotic]

FINASTERIDE is an OK drug... and a reduction of DHT is helpful in many areas.. with the prostate it does help with BPH and may also help reduce risk of MPH(cancer) and MPB(hairloss).


however use of finasteride can ALSO increase risk of GYNO.. DHT has been shown to reduce ER stimulation in breast tissue... I will have to look for the study..

though even the insert warns that finasteride use can cause gyno.


its ok to use.. you just dont want too much..

and an aromatase inhibitor is ESSENTIAL for any aromatic cycle... men dont need more estrogen EVER...(there are a few caveats to this but not any that are relevant to 99+% of the population)

peace

 

[neurotic]

Most likely, it's a synergism between DHT and oestradiol that most effectively promote growth of tumor cell in prostate.
DHT, by itself, will only make your penis grow...

Saw Palmetto suppose to be able to inhibit, to some degree 5AR type I, as well as other ways, but more studies are needed to be done, to state it as a fact.

Yes, we need more studies about Saw Palmetto that will possibly never exist
Saw palmetto is also supposed to avoid prostate problems both by strong anti-inflammatory properties and binding to the AR, whether this binding to the AR is prostate tissue specific or not remains unknown. If it binds to the AR in skeletal muscle it would totally defeat the purpose of exogenous steroid administration.